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New SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK thread - are we still here?

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PavlovtheCatthatgottheCremeEgg · 07/04/2007 12:04

Another thread. My didn't we get full quickly! night sleeping good. Naps...not even 5 mins so far today...

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gingerninja · 23/04/2007 09:10

Mae, I've lost count with the number of times I've shouted at DD. DH hates it when I do but he's happy to leave her in a room to cry herself to sleep on her own so I'm not sure he's got the upper hand on what what's mean. Plus sleep deprivation is torture plain and simple, plus if you're like me and find it difficult to go back to sleep once being disturbed it's just not funny. It's down to survival, sounds dramatic but it feels that way.

I really feel I need to address this sleep issue, it's just not working for any of us. If DD is in my bed I get more sleep because I don't have to get up but she is still waking so we still don't have a good sleep. Lat night it was every coupe of hours. I've just no idea what to do to actually stop her waking up. I considered camping out in her room last night and actually sleeping in the chair next to her cot in order to encourage her to stay in her room but at 1.30 when you're knackered you just can't contemplate such a disturbed night so I took her into bed again.

I need an approach that is workable in the middle of the night. I don't want to do CC or pu/pd and I'd have no problem co-sleeping if she actually stayed asleep it's this constant waking for no apparent reason I'm struggling with.

Last night she went to bed well and I heard her shout a couple of times but she settled herself back down. She woke at 11.30 and DH gave her a bottle and then she slept until 1.30 when I took her into bed. She had a poo (how unsociable) and then back to sleep until 2.45 then 5.45 for the day. Can't remember when I fed her, might have been in between those times I was very bleary eyed. Please god, I need a solution. Might start another thread on it.

Tamdin · 23/04/2007 09:19

morning all. not a bad night here. couple of wakenings...nothing major.
Ginger for your exasperation. I think i might be with moomin and pav that when they are ready they'll do it. apart from cc we've done a bit of everything and maybe none of it's made a blind bit of difference...who knows
He's improving in the sleep dept week to week (bar teething) but maybe that's just because he's getting older. Can't believe he's 15m on wed.
I think i'm tired even thinking about it some days. Anyway big hug ginger and mae and Hi to everyone else

tibsy · 23/04/2007 09:41

mae dont beat yourself up over it. its hard work atm and serious sleep deprivation only highlights it. you're doing a fantastic job, as we all are

ginger - hang in there, it'll come. i have a feeling that dd is going to seriously challenge me the next few days. she's back to her won't be put down mood and that of course has an impact on her sleeping. we've just got to enjoy the good days,..and nights and pray they get us thru the crapola ones. thank god for siftw, thats all i can say!!

Tamdin · 23/04/2007 09:43

morning tibs

tibsy · 23/04/2007 09:44

hey tam, you happy to have dh home?

Tamdin · 23/04/2007 09:49

yes very. He's taken ds out for a walk (in the rain)which is fine for ds all wrapped up with rain cover etc but dh is only wearing a light jacket. what is it with men and their refusal to carry an umbrella!
ds was very shy with him for few hours when he got back but he's come round now and is all over him like a rash (so cute emoticon)
dh taken today off so we can have a nice family day.
What are your plans?

cruisemum1 · 23/04/2007 10:14

morning all, redbeki - i have a dd of 9! big age gaps are great though i would not have planeed such it, it just didn't happen any earlier for us.
lilysma - re the cc thing. i think it is down the individual babies as regards what works for them. pu/pd cranked my ds up so much that he became beside himelf - me too , though i nkow it has worked for some. i tried ncss but it had no effect whatsoever as far as the amount of wakings are concerned. it did shorten the length of the wakings (though we still had a few 1 - 2 hr wakings thrown in there for good measure )but cc worked miracles for me and ds when i did it about 2 weeks ago. he has slept sooooo much better with night wakings diminishing almost completely within 3 nights. he is such a happy funny little boy and he seems delighted with life which i am sure is owing to being well rested. he responded quickly and well to my version of cc (it is prob detailed somewhere in this thread). it was the right time for him. at 5 mths i would not have ha the results we did have at 7mths I'm sure. hth

tibsy · 23/04/2007 10:20

ah bless, ds was always a mamas boy until he started getting older. (i'm talking a lot older than your ds, so dont worry!) then he started being more of a dadas boy. now he comes to each of us for different things.
i'm off to a first aid course soon. dd going into their creche (first time) and to be honest, i'm really feeling like pulling out, only because i have to put her into creche. i'm dreading it and feel really nervous, apprehensive and sick what a wimp
dp said to me this morning, 'dont worry you'll be alright, note i said you'll be alright, cos dd will be absolutely fine!!!!'

hi cruise, how goes it?

Tamdin · 23/04/2007 10:40

tibs. you're not the only one. i joined a gym which had a creche so i could go during the day and he could have a play for an hour. the first time i went i felt sick with nerves and only left him 10 mins. 2nd time i left him 30mins and was still beside myself but thought 'no this is good for us both you have to do it'. that same week the gym wrote to me to say they were closing the creche effective immediately due to lack of interest
bloody typical just when i wa feeling brave and getting into it. i have since joined a new gym but it doesn't have a creche so we're back to square one! the only people ds has ben left with are GP's (so i'm more pathetic than you )

Tamdin · 23/04/2007 10:41

grand parents that is not general practitioners!

redbeki · 23/04/2007 12:05

Tibsy,Your lo 10 days older than mine,but a whole school year ahead!!!

LEMONADEGIRL · 23/04/2007 12:51

Hi all,

have returned to work, so not had a chance to check in for a while, at home today as ds has conjunctivitus [sic], so nursery will not accept him. Really good to be with him all day.

Sleep is so so at the moment, usually down to wakings in the night - am weaning as well and sleep is still no better

Will catch up with posts, hope things are getting better for everyone

gingerninja · 23/04/2007 13:58

Feeling really naffed off today. My friend (whose DD is a week younger than mine)and has been suffering a very similar pattern of baby induced sleep deprivation has finally had her first full night of sleep. They decided to stop feeding her through the night and lo and behold a week or so later and she's sleeping much better. They're just patting her in her cot. Note I saud they because her DH actually does a lot of the night shift.

I'm feeling completely miserable about it (obviously I'm happy for her) but I just feel like a) I haven't got the will power b) DH can't really help because he has to work and c) I can't see the wood for the trees.

Sorry, just needed to rant a bit.

tibsy · 23/04/2007 15:27

ginger i know, we're all hoping for that magic cure all and are pleased for those who have got some respite in the shape of sleep, but are also very . its completely natural. our turn will come and we'll all have a whole nights sleep, oh yes we will its hard when dp/h's arent able to take up the slack too. i know i always say it to everyone, but you're doing a fantastic job. chin up

tam - i did wonder at the GP, thought it might be a new initiative around your neck of the woods dd was absolutely fine at creche and i could actually peek thru the door if i wanted to see her. we were next door!!! she was playing on the floor with a car when i got her and gave me a huge beamer of a smile [ahhhhh bless emoticon]god i love her the first part of the course good too, we covered bumps on the head today ans talked thru what we're most concerned about so we can cover in future weeks. i chose choking and febrile convulsions out of the 'all of it' list i had!!!

lemonadegirl- good to have you back, about lo's poorly eye tho and return to work

redbeki, i know, we timed that well its the same with ds. their birthday is only 8 days apart (well, and 12 years of course! he's one of the youngest in his class too ) note to self must stop having sex in november

Amberjee · 23/04/2007 17:15

tibs, who runs the first aid course?

tibsy · 23/04/2007 17:24

hi amber, were you on your course today too?
its run thru the local council. very good first session, all free and creche is too

Amberjee · 23/04/2007 17:26

hey tibs, the course is on tuesdays, so looking forward to it tomorrow. today i was at a local breastfeeding clinic though.

ratfly · 23/04/2007 18:54

Hi everyone.
I feel I truly belong with you guys. DS is not sleeping again - sometimes he does but he has become a pain again. From going with 1 wake per night, he has decided to wake up every 2 hours or so for the past week. 12 week growth spurt allegedly.
He is currently asleep in his bouncy chair - I have given up on trying to get him to sleep in his cot. It only took 1 hour of screaming to settle him down.
And people tell you to sleep when the baby sleeps - yeah, right
If sleep is for the weak I am REALLY strong! Lol.

MaeWest · 23/04/2007 19:45

Hi ratfly - know what you mean about the 'sleep when the baby sleeps thing'. I used to look at people blankly as the only way DS would sleep would be to push him round and round the park - if I stopped he would wake up. Mind you, sometimes I did a kind of zombie shuffle behind the buggy that was practically asleep .

Weeell, after last night I put DS in his cot at 9am while I had a shower (so I couldn't hear him shouting). He grumbled/sang on and off for about 30 mins, then went to sleep OK, he woke up yelling after about 15 mins, but still... Think he was indignant that he'd dropped off! Then we had swimming class today, which he absolutely loves, and it knackered him out so much that he quietly inserted thumb when I tucked him up in the buggy while I was getting dressed and was almost asleep before we left the leisure centre. Think if I can not always feed to sleep for daytime naps we might make some progress, so hard to find the right moment to put him down tho...

tibsy · 23/04/2007 20:07

hello ratfly pleased to have you join us although not, iyswim!!!

mae, thats progress that is

amber, have you read the politics of breastfeeding by Gabrielle Palmer? tis a good read, very interesting, esp the historical aspect of it. i've got it on loan from breastfeeding support counsellor. havent managed to finish it yet, as need to have my semi intelligent head on and that dont happen too often

tibsy · 23/04/2007 20:09

off to check ds has completed his revision, he's got geography, history and english tomorrow
night night all, heres hoping for good uns for us all

Swizzler · 23/04/2007 20:23

Ginger: it is crap when you can't see any progress, but if you look at, say a month ago is there an overall improvement? Sometimes I think DS will never sleep through, but then I remember the nightd when I was feeding him and putting him down on and off for at least an hour - every evening - and I think he has improved a bit.

Last night a bit better for us, waking every 3 hours or so. He was knackered tonight and had 2 good naps (on Daddy's watch, I was at work ) so hoping for a decent night.

Tamdin · 23/04/2007 20:32

hope everyone gets some sleep tonight. see you in the morning X

gingerninja · 23/04/2007 21:02

Swiz, just had a look at the original thread that we started in the new year and I don't think there is much improvement to be honest. That is depressing. Actually that's probably a bit of a lie. It probably is a bit better because I'm co-sleeping now, wasn't before but it's not solving the problem. I'm defo going to make an effort not to feed. I really don't think she needs it and I think she'd be more settled if she didn't wake up wanting milk. She had her first taste of formula this evening. I felt awful about it. I know it's so stupid but I was really sad. I've done almost 8 months bf and it becomes such an emotional thing doesn't it. Actually it's made be realise why it's hard for them to give it up. If I'm finding it hard it must be doubly difficult for them.

Night Night all

Welcome Ratfly, glad you found us and are feeling a bit better. I'm not normally this miserable

Swizzler · 23/04/2007 21:10

Ginger: I'm a bit sad that DS is eating proper food rather than bfing - feels like he doesn't need me quite as much. It is an emotional thing, but that's one reason why it's so important IYSWIM

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