new 'SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK' thread

[tibsy]

hi ladies, the other one ran out of space, so if no one else starts a new thread, here it is....

Maebee: the temp thing was one reason I went back to swaddling - certainly keeps DS warm. He's in a travel cot so quite close to the floor and I worry that it's draughty.

Nights same old same old - waking every 1.5 - 2 hrs, with an occasional blip. So tired in the mornings. I know exactly what you mean Maebee - it is a strain on you personally and on your partner. Even though DH doesn't get up, he's disturbed during the night and crabby as a result. Hang on in there! Again, feel free to email me if you need an extra vent .

Anyway, DS is asleep and he actually ate some food today as opposed to making faces and spitting it out, so will see if it has an effect.

Yay Cruisemum! You'll have to be our poster girl if this continues - do we get before and after photos?

swizz - am hoping it contines but not holding out any real hopes.... But I shall enjoy my moment of glory and keep you posted!

yay cruisemum, good luck tonight!

swizzler, 1.5 - 2 hour wakings is so harsh on you. i find if i sleep next to LO, his wakings are more like 3 hours, rather than 2-2.5, though I have to be so careful not to move in the night lest i wake him up before his 3 hours is up! i think i would rather him in his cot most of the time, so at least i could move my arm or something occassionally.

poor little guy has had a lot of reflux symptoms today, they came back after i started eating dairy again yesterday, sigh, looks like i'll be giving up the good stuff, the cheese, the yummy deserts, sigh . well, i would prefer him in the better mood that he's been in lately while i didn't eat any dairy, so i guess its worth a while of dairy free diet.

evening all,

another bad nite for us dd went to be at 7 me and dp at 8.45 we are knackered and dp is poorly, set my alarm 4 10.30 to do dream feed didnt hear it and fed her at 11.30 instead but only cuz she woke me up , then was constently waking all nite had a feed at 6 and decided she didnt want to go bak to bed after that so am shattered and grumpy today!!!

Well done cruisemum!!!

evening.
blowing a gale here. cruise hope tonight goes as well as last night.
Ginger-wriggle has posted on the kiskidee thread with what she did to get dd to sleep. Sounds like a cross between ncss and pu/pd.
Tibsy think pavlov may have started back at work this week hence the no show on mn (?)
anyway my SIFTW sisters hope you all get some zzzz tonight. x

Amber: we co-slept with DS to begin with and I bring him in about 5/6am if he;s restless, but would really prefer him to be in his cot at night. DH gets nervous about rolling on him and I end up with cramp! It is nice in the mornings though

Youngmum: sorry you had another bad night. Are you trying to alter her daytime routine in case that helps?

swizzler- shenormally has bout 4hours sleep in the day an hourin the morning 2hours at lunch and then n hour in the afternoon which seemed to work b4 cud she be having to much sleep in the day????

Sounds about right - wish W was sleeping as much!

hi all, long time no type....
I have not even started to look at posts, am going to bed in a mo after a day of 'spring cleaning'. I am worn out and dont have my contacts in so am straining my eyes badly! (LO broke glasses!)
I shall catch up tomorrow hopefully. I lost the thread, and found it again!

Just wanted to say hey to all, and to wish you all a good night with your LOs. My DD is improving for sure, but not there...yet. I have had two fantastic nights with her waking up just once. Had a couple of better nights where she has grimbled for a while and I have left her, gone back to sleep on her own. AHowever have also had some effing awful nights!

Mothers day, a lie-in was the order of the day. NOT. I went out for the firsttime sat night, had a great time, went to a pasta bar with some friends, DD behaved perfectly for DP, came back at 11:30pm expecting her to be awake, not a peep from her until 1:40am. However, she then felt it a good idea to wake 1.5 hourly until 5:30am. Then she was up, for the day. typical. We still did not manage to leave the house for our mothers day excursion until 11:30am .

She refused to nap this afternoon, and fel asleep at the dinner table half way through chicken and vegetables. Head resting on her hands, on her table!

To all those with awful few nights just gone , to those who had better nights .

Night all. Catch ya tomorrow

Hey Tibsy hehe just saw your post...I wish I was having that much sleep!

Bampa - I am not back at work this week. Monday I am due to return but stillo trying to negotiate what I will be returning to before I go back.

Cruise - well done you^ !!! Fingers crossed it lasts tonight. Hopefully your LO tried it out and decided he liked it!!!

morning ladies!!
hope you all had a good one
unfortunately after a couple of good nights, last night was....ahem, a 'learning' night again, in other words, crap!
still, always said i disliked unpredictibility.........DO however like sleep tho
ah well, bampa/ginger - did you look at the articles on the other thread. found the dr jay one interesting...not til 12months +

just checkig in quickly before the breakfast/school mayhem sets in. Well last night was better than some but not as good as my 10 hours! Settled finally around 8:15pm, woke at 2 and 5 and is still in bed at 7:15am! The latest he has woken in ages. I ha\d to go an have a peep in of course, to make sure he was OK . Maybe, he is getting to realise how wonderful sleep is

morning just checking in. Tibs haven't read the links from kiskidee yet.
Cruise that's not too bad a night so maybe he's def getting the hang of it now.
Pav sorry thought maybe you'd gone back to work. Hope you get things sorted on your terms.
Ended up on the 'bar's open' thread last night. such a good laugh. Found swizzler in thet with alarge glass of red and being very funny.
Maybe see some of you there tonight!
I'm off to hairdressers today (really need it!)so mil babysitting.
Better go get organised.x

bampa - where is that thread?

don't know how to do that thing where you add a thread as a link but if you go to search and type @@@@8BAAARRRR IS OPEN @@@@ Google should find it for you. Maybe swizzler will be along soon to add it to this thread for you. She seems good at tech stuff. x

Cruise forget that just tried it and it doesn't work. Swizzler can you help our SIFTW sisters find bar thread. think we all need to frequent there more often to remind us life is fun! x

tibsy, i would say that there are things you can take away from it try even if you baby is under 12 months old. it takes a little time to reflect on the ideas in the link, reading it a few times, reflect again on your unique situation and then experimenting.

i have used some ideas from it as i co-sleep with dd at 23 months.

like wiggles did, she tailored it to her own situation. it is minimal fuss and push from you and no separation from your baby is the thing to stress. just because you get it slightly 'wrong' doesn't mean that you can't return and try it again.

that you tailor it to your needs also empowers you and your baby.
here is the link to my original thread

here is the one to Wiggles' breakthrough to see how she adapted it i think her dd is now 11 months old and she can't co-sleep.

gingerninja - scuse me being a no-brain, but do you use longsleeved vest AND a babygro, or just long sleeved vests??!?

well, last night was a bit better and i feel okay today. especially as the boy is now napping in his cot again this morning! i put up a darker curtain in my room, and i put my lo in a vest as well as his babygro cos it was so chilly, and even better, my dp, needing a good night before his gig on wednesday, slept in his room, and im sure my boy slept better for it (both of them! ....dont worry, im not cruise level yet!! my lo woke at 8.30, woke for feed at 10, then again at 2.30 and in the bed with me, woke at 5.30, slept til 6.30. which i count as a good night!

think i fancy a glass of red tonight, but i seem to have decided that before 10 in the morning!!!
my lo has his vaccinations today but my good news is my dp is putitng his childcare hours in today, and its my special time off.

saw a health visitor about my lo's excema yesterday, and we ended up talking about sleep and she was sooooo patronising! i know some of you have had this problem before. she said to put him in his cot awake for naps and leave him, and i said ive tried that, and how long should i try to put him down for, and she just kept telling me to be more positive! that is not a factual answer! im sure you have all had it, she said, aaah! you are having naps with him, dont do it, and i KNOW its probably giving him bad habits, but jesus f christ! we are exhausted!

hope you all have a day of intensely happy and tired babies!

do any of you co-sleep or would like to try it but put off for different reasons? I have lots of resources i can link if you want to read them.

i found them empowering because it affirms a lot of surprisingly healthy and normal reasons why co-sleeping is a good idea. it made me accept that i was not some kind of freak to allow myself to sleep with my baby.

maybae, dd suffered with eczema which is why i always responded to her. you are not teaching her bad habits by telling her you are there when she needs you. hugs.

maebee - if i heard 'you're making a rod for your own back' several weeks ago, i swear i would have f***ing killed someone. you've just got to do what feels right for you all. and if taking naps with lo enables you to have a rest then so be it. glad you're feeling brighter

kiskidee - many thanks, will check em out later, off to mums and baby group now

bampa - always been a bit nervous about joining, i AM the shy retiring type dont you know!!!

REALLY GOTTa go (ooops!)

lol, SPENT AGES TYPING A MESSAGE AND MY dd COMPUTER WIZZ DELETED IT ALL IN ONE FAIL SWOOP!

just noticed too that she put caps lock on, cant be as*ed to start again, again!

Bampa - its good to know I was missed!

I need to catch up on posts so will just do a quick up0date and then send another post later in a bit.

Last night.
6:30pm - fell asleep at dinner table. Usually has porridge or something similar, this time had dinner with us, ate half.
7:15pm. After changing nappy, wash and change clothes, LO was out like a light whilst BF. Not much of a routine this evening
11:40pm - Rudely awoken by DP clattering in front room. BF, straight back to sleep, on her own

so far so good...

4:30am - awake, BF, stright back to sleep, on her own.
6:30am. Still asleep.
7:08am. Awake, in a fantastic mood. BF. in play pen
7:50am - up and playing!
8:55am. DP gets woken up with a cuppa tea . I don't mind, I did not wake at all when LO was asleep, had a wonderful nights sleep .

Sorry for those who didn't. I am not there yet, but it feels like it is getting better, or we are just sleeping through her moans more now

Tibsy shy and retiring ay a**e! enjoy playgroup x

Maebee - my HV is just as patronising, and often very tactless. I have stopped asking her for any advice whatsoever. I put LO in short sleeved babygrow and long sleeve sleepsuit, and sleeping bag. I then have a light blanket to put over her in case it gets a little chillier as it has these lsat few days. God its been cold right? I wore my socks in bed after DP complained my feet were cold (I did put them on his legs on purpose tho! Have not had cold feed since I became pregnant!).

Kiskidee - a agree with you about tailoring tsleeping technique for you and baby. I am doing/attempting a version of PU/PD, and although we are no-where near 'there' yet, the light is at the end of the tunnel and we have had some great nights sleeping, some good nights sleeping, mixed with some bad, rather than the other way round. I think for us, the pu/pd method, or our version of it, has worked fantastically, given how sour Lo slept before.
I also found that I changed how I responded within my techniques depending on her cues, and I now behave differently than I did when I first started using this as a way of dealing with our sleep problem.

hello everyone

just thought I'd pop by - lo is sleeping well by recent standards, only 2 feeds a night now - and goes down ok at bed-time but ds1 aged 3 is getting up at 5.30am . Then his protests at being sent back to bed are waking up lo...who then gets over-tired as is still a nightmare at getting down for day naps. Swaddling is the only thing that is helping at the moment. took him half an hour to go down this morning 9-9.30am even though he had been awake thanks to ds1 since 6am...

he is 6 months today and I can't believe he was 4 1/2 months when I first discovered this thread - where did the time go?!!!

trying to gets his solids sorting out - atm not interested in breakfast due to two big feeds at night, starving by lunchtime, has big lunch and mid-afternoon bfeed then not very bothered about dinner...so hungry in night...and it starts all over again...