new 'SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK' thread

[tibsy]

hi ladies, the other one ran out of space, so if no one else starts a new thread, here it is....

tibsey our lo starting going longer at night once we introduced a bottle of formula HOWEVER sometimes I manage to express enough for a bottle and dh gives him that and now he is into the habit of sleeping another 4 hours after his ff he does the same after the ebm also...can't usually get enough out for this tho! also ds1 was ff from 7 weeks and was a much better sleeper, night and day. ah well let's keep telling ourselves it's all worth it...

pavlov - three cheers for getting the lo in her own bed! well done! my lo would happily suckle all night if i let him. better for us and them that they don't though imho. yes the swaddling did work for naps 2 and 3 yesterday, nap 3 was such a good nap he didn't even wake for dinner and had to go straight for bath and bed! have not swaddled him for nap no 1 as we want to get to soft play this morning but will try it again later...congrats on lo walking!!! and no wasn't watching telly last night nothing on now we have lost sky one spent all evening making my mum a mothers day card on the computer

dandas - welcome and sorry to hear you've been having such an awful time of it. friend of mine recommended I get lo off boob by 14/15 months as her lo is 2 1/2 and still wakes in night to suckle!!! I had to do cc with ds1 around this age though as he was waking not for feed as going through at this point but just waking and crying. it was hard but it worked and felt better doing it at his age than as a baby. you have to feel 100% confident about doing it tho' as it is very hard.

well we had a good night last night - lo went down at 8pm after big bfeed having missed his dinner, bottle at 1am which he drained as seemed more hungry after having solids for dinner for only a few days - amazing how they adapt. back to sleep till 5.40am bfeed. went back to sleep ok till ds1 woke up and came into our bed cough cough coughing at 6 ended up bringing up a load of flem all over our duvet (sorry if tmi!). not surprisingly lo woke up again with all the noise and I was a p**d off with having been up since 5.40am, poor ds1! lo had his baby rice and papaya and another bfeed and went back down again for another nap - didn't take him long to settle as woke up so early. his no 1 nap of the day is often the easiest, it's the later ones he fights...

busy making sweet potato puree atm!

kiera - glad to see you sounding so much happier

byw - am dreading weaning lo totally from boob as i wont know what the heck to do when he wakes at night. anyone got ideas/done this?

Hello! Found you!
Have had a rough couple of nights now, I think it is either the solids we have started or she is having a growth spurt - they do at about 6 months don't they?

Had our first carrot nappy this morning - yuck!

Oh and happy half Birthday to my DD 26 weeks today - where has the time gone? I feel quite sad about it
Will read the posts later and catch up with you all, I have something on Sky+ I need to watch

kiera, you truly are supermum, pureeing too! i'm a lazy tart and am using organic jars atm along 'whole' foods. my lo seemed more hungry once starting solids, apparently it can take a few weeks for them to settle down and adjust

hi ruth and happy half birthday to lo. they do have a growth spurt around now, altho dd seems to have one every other day

cruise, cant help you with that one, as you know, this is still a no bottle zone thanks to dd!! altho she's taking a little milk from doidy cup during the day now.

Danda, welcome. What stamina you have. How have you not gone mental?

Pav your night looked mental. Wonder if it's to do with the walking development. I've read (yes another theory that I cling to) that developmental stages ie rolling, walking can cause sleeplessness.

Tibsy, lol only on this thread do we refer to 3 wakings as 'not bad'

Kiera you are one super mum. I managed to mash up some pear yesterday and I'm cooking jacket potatoes at the mo. Must get this weaning show on the road.

Ruth, good for you. Send sleepy vibes. I'm also missing DD being a tiny baby and would you believe actually want another. WTF? Haven't worked this one out yet.

My night was a typical waking at 10.30 and 3.30 for feeds then 4.30 and 5.30 for no good reason. Came into bed with me at 5.30 and kicked me until 6 when I gave in and got up after a 'discussion' with DH about me being grumpy with DD. I've got a condition, it's called chronic fu@king tiredness I said to him and of course I reminded him that he's got no idea what that feels like. LOL

ginger - ha ha, i know. people look at me like i'm a bloody nutter when i say i've had a good night with only 2 or 3 wakings i think its great i can see the positive side!!!!!!!!!

i too am missing the newborn ness of dd altho loving this stage, shes so interested in everything and interesting.
am seeing a 4 week old tomorrow at my mums (her friends 1st) so expect to be V broody by the time i come away. have told dp that we can start trying when dd sleeps thru the night or when she's 1, think i might have to move that goalpost as the birthday looks like happening first and i want to remember what sleep's like before going thru it again!!!

Kiera - well done on the puree. I have lots of puree in freezer, does not make me a supermum as When I did it the house was a mess for days as it wore me out!! I tell you what else I did, for when your LO is ready for some solid stuff - cut some sweet potato and a butternutsuqash into chips and froze the lot, then each day as I prepare the rest of her food, I wack a couple in microwave for 1min, covered with film, she loves to munch on the, no risk of choking as they are soft as!

Well done Tibsy for your good night! Isnt it awful that a couple of wakings is considered good, when there are people raving about how there LOs sleep right through..bloody liars all of them, selective memory I think

Night - erm, whatever night is is now
8pm - BF and asleep
11pm - woke for dream feed - first time in ages, usually wakes herself up these days for it a bit early.
2am - awake, pu/pd of version thereof for 20 mins, asleep.
4:15am. Awake BF. Awake when put down. Asleep within 10 mins.
6am - awake. DP brings her into bed, gets very very arsey when I say I am not feeding until 7am, so she gets used to being fed at same time in the morning. Have a ginormous, epic argument as a result, as he wanted to go back to sleep, but did not want me to get up with her, (wanted us all to sleep in, like he can control that?!!)which spans the entire morning, and which has me being called a variety of things such as controlling, millitant, rude, selfish, doing it to piss him off/stop him having a ly-in if I cant, finally feeding to get him back, crying to pis him off, blah blah blah! He almost said sorry eventually, not quite, thinks his idea of her feding whenever she wants to is the way to do it, although cannot tell me where the evidence for this workin can be found!

Just done PU/PD (its my own version as I am no good at following instructions to the letter, I forget and get confused/upse!)for sleep as only had 20 mins this morning and knackered. took 45 mins, now out like a light, got told off for not 'tagging' Mr grumpy who thinks it doesnt work anyway, she went to sleep because she was bored, not because she was tired/the method worked.
So, a mamouth posting, sorreee

Ginga - I have heard that theory about developmental stages affecting sleep, but she seems to be reaching milestones all the time, in which case there is no hope!!!

Hello all, can I join you?
Am new to MN, have two DDs. Eldest is 3 years old youngest is 9 months and has never slept through.
DD1 slept through at about 5 months I think but never woke up more than once for a feed after the first few weeks.
DD2 is a completely different story and I am knackered. Things have got slightly better in the last few nights with her waking only TWICE!!!
If only it could last, up until now she has been waking anything from 2 to 6/7 times a night.

pavlov, soz that you and dp had an argument. am sure it'll be fine later. lack of sleep does nothin for marital harmony does it?
i've recently found my sense of humour again, which helps enormously!! before that, i was the grumpiest cow on earth altho dp sometimes deserves the brunt of it i'm sure

welcome beachcomber. again, as to all the newcomers, sorry you feel the need tho! how is your dd2 going to sleep at night, i'm just trying to wean mine off falling asleep on boob at the mo. having some success, but still waking numerous times over the course of the night. my dd is 6 months

p.s lack of sleep, you cant die from it can you?!! didnt someone else ask that?....oh god, i'm losing it
was just sat on settee with dd on lap for a cuddle and just felt SOOOOOO weary.

beachcomber - your lo sounds like all of ours! You will fit in perfectly...

tibsy - doubt you can die from lack of sleep. Just be careful when driving etc.

Pav, me and DH have 'discussions' like that ALL the time at the mo. Having children definately doesn't bring you together at the begining does it? He either makes ridiculous suggestions like I'll take her downstairs and play with her (at 5 in the effing morning) but never thinks that it might be a good idea to take over at a reasonable hour say 6 and then give me a lay in. I was awake for over an hour this morning when he suggested I go back to sleep and he'd sort her out. What's the point? I was wide awake and it was 6.30 he had to get ready for work anyway.

I'll stop moaning now!!!

Thanks for the welcome
Oddly my daughter does seem to know how to settle herself as she goes off by herself at bedtime (although she does sometimes fall asleep feeding).
We have progressed from her ONLY falling asleep through rocking/feeding to her being able to sometimes settle herself.
She used to only nap in her pram after a walk or in her bouncy chair after much bouncing.
I'm at the stage now where I think waking twice in the night at 9 months is fabulous!

I think I will be holding a party the day after she sleeps through the night.

Welcome beachcomer, join us sleep depraved people!

LOL Cruise - that is exactly how it is for us...LO comes into bed, bounces around my head for an hour, pulling hair, biting me, having fun with daddy, then at 7am he says the same, I shall let you have a 'lie-in' if you want!!! A LIE-IN?, its not an f'ing LIE-IN, its sleep, and I am wide awake now! Make me a coffee.
'I will not make you a coffee, if you just shut your eyes you will go to sleep. Dont fight it'!!! and so it goes.
We got over it this afternoon, he said he wanted to go out to a friends, I asked if he was taking LO, he said 'fine I wont go'!! (hello?), realised he was being a shitbag and later on, said 'I love you' 'I love you too' 'really hun, I do love you@. Aw.
Tibsy - you cant die from lack of sleep. but your DP can if he is in the wrong place when you happen to lose it completely in the kitchen!

First part of Night X (In can't remember, think it is 8 - 4th night of no boob, PU/PD blah thing)
7:00pm - bouncing over, around on top of me and DP despite calming soothing music and quiet talking. WHAT HAS GOT INTO HER?
7:30pm, secon bf, she has learnt this time not to fall asleep before she has finished.
7:35, rolls over onto front, head up, big grin, wants to play.
7:40pm, still playing, I leave the room, she cries, cries, cries.
7:45pm Asleep. On her own.
8:01pm, Meggy Poosecat has got stuck in Lo's room mewing to get out and scratching on door, realise, again, the door still needs WD40ing. Shit.

Oh, BTW, she is eating like a horse. Had been BLW, however, had to go to combination of both as she has gone from refusing food to eating a ton. I made fish pie, she ate a whole tommee tippee weaning pot (you know the ones?) of it. I made pasta tomato and chese sauce, she ate it all, she been eating puddings, snacks, vegetable sticks, toast, Hippa-bisc. OMG. Good, the HV is coming round to do 8 month check next week, this should fatten LO up, shut up HV!

Beachcomber - good to hear at least your LO can sometimes put herself to sleep. Is it random? Or is there a pattern of sorts?

I am so sorry guys, its been too long, another epic, I shall be quiet now and go make Veggie Escalops, Chips and Sgetti, YUM (DP is out, I can have what I like!

Hi, can I join you properly (think I posted on the thread before). DS is 5 months now and has always been a rubbish sleeper, but started to get better (i.e. go for 3-4 hour strethes) at about 3 months, For the past month he's been waking every 2 hours or even 1.5 for a feed . Have tried all sorts of things w some small successes.

Settling: DS does settle himself now after putting him down awake - he now also takes about 1/2 hour to get to sleep rather than an hour or more

Naps: I bung in him the buggy when he looks tired - this way he gets at least 2 long naps a day. He's also started napping occasionally in his cot (yay!)

Feeds: only feeds every 3 hours during the day (used to be 2). Have started trying to shush him to sleep if he wakes 1-2 hours after the last feed to stretch his nighttime feeds as well, with mixed success

The main prob is, I think, TEETH (he's been teething for months). But he's also used to waking frequently for a feed - trying to sort that out without CC (too much of a wimp!)

Phew - well done if you managed to get through that long post!

Swizzler - sorry you feel you have to come on with us but you are very welcome indeed. You think your thread is long? Have you attempted to read mine?

Sorry everyone, again, its too long. I know. I also know I said I would shut up, but waiting for microwave to heat up for chippits

Swizzler - you need to get your hands on some Baby Oragel. Its a must, I been going on and on about it, but its fab. You cant get it here, do you know anyone in US? I have managed to blag a couple of tubes as I run out of my own (poss due to getting everyone to try a bit? .

LO suffered V badly with teeth, two came through almost at once and is loads better. I often questioned whether it was her teeth as went on for so long, like yours. I would say if you think it is, prob best to trust your instincts. My LO teethed her first two for about 8-10 weeks properly from 5.5months, but got red cheeks, dribbled lots from 3 months (lots do tho I think).

oh, sorry its a sleep thing...I am a dumbass, mostly. What I meant to say (got back off the tangent) was that up until recently she also slept prob hourly - 1.5hourly, short suckles of bf, enough to calm her for a short while...I kept thinking it could not just be teeth, but looking back, it might have been a large part of it (although not all, hence why I am still here .

Really, I will shh for a bit now

Must get me some of that Oragel Pav. Did you find a distributor here?

I found a kind MNer who sent me a spare tube as her son had finsiehd teething not long ago...and another MNer who offered to get me some tubes from the US airbase where she lives! How kind where they?!

I did get a website, I will find it for you tomorrow as I got to sort out my fav list! I will ask MIL/BIL to send some, but it might take a while as they are shite at that kind of thing, so you might have to wait, its why I went elsewhere!

A friend of mine is a nurse, tried some and said it would probably also work to dumb pain of a graze in the knee etc, as it has immediate isolating effect. 10% benzocaine so to be used sparingly!

thats how strong it is!

Thanks for welcomes..I'm new to mumsnet. SUCH a relief to hear that I'm not alone. All my friends' children sleep through, and practically have from birth, whether bf or ff. I hate them all. When LO woke in the night last night, fed her just from one side each time and put her down awake. She only woke twice and only cried for 1 minute each time. Too good to be true?!! May still take you up on offer of hugs and matchsticks, PavlovtheCat! xx