'Sleep is for the Weak' for anyone with August/Sep 06 DC's

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GM, Cruise and anyone else with LO's born around August/September 06' - this is a support thread for when you have no clue as to why your LO is doing the exact opposite to what they were doing last week and when you are thinking WTF????
Post on here and we shall all compare notes and comfort each other!!

maebee - re: fissure - it took ages (can't remember how long exactly as it was 9 years ago!) In the end i had to see a specialist in a london hospital (what a job ) but I was well on the way to healing by then and no action needed to be taken. I jsut remember plenty of lactulose (yuk) and loads of water being on the menu. I was terrifed about having my son in September incase of a repeat and had to be checked out but i had a vaginal delivery with no probs at all . The fissure was sooooo excruciating (spelling?) I was sobbing in the docs office. I had to go to the loo in shallow warm water to ease the agony. It was terrifying - sorry if tmi to those who have not suffered . It left me no after effects which was lucky. Hope you are recovering....
Re: the sex. I don't even feel like it with myself

GN - you are mor or less correct in your guesstimate from lbs to kilos. I never use kg's. Bloody double dutch to me!
Lovely that your lo is rolling! my lazy lump gets half way there gives up . Looked in dd's baby book today (I know, I know, you should never compare babies blah blah blah..... anbd she rolled at 23 weeks. Well they do say boys are lazier! Bless his chubby thighs

cc- I have just trawled back through this thread and see taht you lo was born in Aug (see how sad I am

evening ladies. Don't really feel like i can contribute too much tonight as ds is past weaning/rolling/crawling stage now except to say gingerninja try not to worry about weaning. ds never really liked puree except for pear/apple so ended up eating what felt like very little which of course i worried over. eventually in a restaurant one night I tried him with soft bread and he coped well and from then on he went straight to soft finger food. Little bits of fruit, pancakes cheese etc. I guess in hindsight he weaned himself (have you seen the BLW thread from yesterday...very heated debate)He was so goddam determined to do it himself that he would never let you near him with a spoon.He's a good eater now (at 13 months) and all that worry was for nothing.

bampa - you are so right. weaning is a worrysome task! ds began weaning at 20 weeks and loves his grub! Not turned his nose up at anything so far. Still doing small portions which is a chore and am, naturally, worried about his milk consumption. As he is almost 6 months now I am fretting about what he can have next. So many conflicting theories. Suggestions please

cruisemum1 believe it or not i can't really remember what ds ate at 6 months (only 7 months ago i know!) I remember I tried him with the plum organic baby food pots constantly with very little success (gave up making my own puree because after slaving away over it, he would turn his head in disgust...could just be my cooking!) the only one he would eat was the carrot/sweetcorn one so it felt like he lived on a diet of puree pear and apple and bits of fresh pear/banana. He always took 6oz of milk or more so i tried to reassure myself that he was still getting everything he needed. I think as soon as he got to about 7/8 months he could cope well with soft toast, tiny pieces of pasta, some soft veg etc. Sorry know that's not much help x

Sex with yourself? hell no, I'm far too lazy for that. There's no effort in laying back thinking of England (or a George Clooney and Jonny Depp sandwich)

Cruise, I'm obviously a terrible mother as I haven't been recording any of her achievements and she's my first so I should have been all enthusiastic and stuff. Perhaps I'll start now.

Bampa, what was the weaning thread yesterday? I do lurk there but they're a very tetchy bunch and I'm not sure I want to join in. I've been giving her bits of finger food and this morning she sucked a bit of mango which she loved. So far she's had brocolli which she turned her nose up and pear which she didn't mind. DH is worried about her choking on bits so isn't overly happy about it but I'm not sure how else she'll take food she's already very spirited or is that a euphamism for bloody awkward?

Gn I was also a bit paranoid about choking at first so bought one of those 'feeder' mesh bag/handle things from blooming marvellous which was good. Admittedly he grew out of needing it after a month or so but it meant you could pack it with all sorts of food and be reassured nothing would get through. Also good for frozen fruit when teething. We used to take it to restaurants and give it to him when our food arrived to keep him quiet for 10 mins (sadly it got left behind in pizza express one night and it was no more. The thread was on BLW which apparently means baby led weaning and is some new concept/theory on letting babies wean themselves.I think by what i could make out that you literally just put bits of food in front of them and let them eat it. I didn't join in the debate just followed the posts for a few minutes but it seemed to cause quite a stir. THe non BLW camp were getting quite tetchy by time i logged off. Think i'll stick to our nice supportive/friendly thread

Bampa, Ahh the BLW debate V's puree. Usually I find the BLW's quite millitant. They get VERY grumpy if anyone criticises the theory which is very tiresome if you just want to ask a simple question. Think it's interesting that what appears to be only one woman's study seems to be hailed as unquestionable. Anyway, I might go and start a thread on this matter and make myself some new friends. (Having said all that it makes a lot of sense and I'll probably be following the principles myself) LOL

I see. I know very little about the whole thing. I think the non BLW camp were getting tetchy because one of the BLW's implied they just shovelled endless amounts of food into their babies with no consideration to whether their lo actually wanted it or liked it.

not much to say today we did have a very similar night to the last one, could be worse.

cruisemum DS is a few weeks older than yours and also likes his grub (the only experience that wasn't traumatic - bad sleeper, not an easy going baby but good eater, we're very proud ) Ds is just starting to take food that's not pureed he's had pumpkin, sweet potato, carrot (most veggies) and LOVES fruit he can eat a banana on his own now and and will steal my nectarine, he eats pieces of lychee(sp?) etc. We are just starting to introduce meat as he's not fond of the texture even if it's just a tiny bit in his dinner. He has 3 meals a day and 4 bottles (but sometimes wakes for a night feed) what are you giving your DS now? Alot of my friends are struggling dropping from 5 to 4 feeds how many is he having?

Maebee we shhhd DS to sleep and for the most part he will settle himself now. I am certainly no expert but I just always give him a chance to do it himself now and if he cries after a minute I just go back in and try to stroke his head and shh him if that doesn't work I'll pick him up and do it. It doesn't seem to affect his ability to do it next time so don't know if it's what I'm doing or just luck. Sometimes he goes for a week and can't do it himself so I go with the flow and he comes good the next week.

hello everyone

hi ruth (waves)!

maebee - i got an anal fissure too but after my section!?! it took several weeks to heal - lots of fruit veg and drinks for soft poos and very careful pooing anyway - I had a natural birth for my first baby and had second degree tear, it was a long time before sex stopped hurting, but I found the more I did it the less it hurt - it was a case of grinning it and bearing it for a while...don't know if that helps or hinders!

ginger - yes in abdomen and no I don't even feel like it with myself either - too exhausted!

well we had a good night last night with lo (bfeed 7.30pm, bottle of ebm 2am, disturbed by ds1 5am but went back to sleep till 6am) however ds1 woke up around 3ish and then 5ish wanting to come into our bed, finally got up 6am [blurry-eyed emoticon]. having stayed up till 11.30pm to make sure dh got back safe from his pub quiz I had to get up at 6 after a disturbed night and am sooooo dog-tired today you would not believe. was just going to head for bed just now when I realised I hadn't cleaned my breast pump so had to wash it and have been pumping while I catch up with all the posts! thank god we were out of the house till 2 today what with ds1's swimming lesson then met a friend at soft play after, so was only reduced to tears for the last hour before dh came home rather than all day! needless to say lo was awful at naps again and very tired and grumpy as a result. tried him with carrot puree today - he ate it all but was less keen on it than the baby rice. we got the highchair down from the loft tonight! [excited emoticon]. we need more emoticons!

best wishes for a sleep-filled night for you all...

hello

I'm soooooo tired this morning. lo did well, went from 8pm to 1am (bottle of ebm) to 5.40am but no sooner had I got back to bed at 6am then everyone started getting up so I've been up since 5.40 a grand total of 6 hours sleep. I don't know which is worse, broken but longer sleep or shorter sleep!

meanwhile, lo will NOT go down for nap this morning and is making me feel very stressed. tried feeding him in case hungry and all that did was make him angry when I took him off ('cos he was messing about) as I didn't want him to bfeed to sleep. He is clearly tired though, grumpy and rubbing eyes and usually goes down around now. Meanwhile while I am upstairs feeding him and trying to get him to sleep ds1 is shouting up the stairs "I want crackers! I want crackers!" . They are driving me insane...

We are leaving in half an hour though as ds1 has pre-school while I go to PND support group then home for lunch then playgroup 1.30-3 so that will get us out of the house again. Not much chance for lo to be in his cot but what's the point seeing as when I stay in he doesn't sleep in it anyway.

Feel so stressed and frustrated I could cry and it's only 8.30am...

feel for you keira. mon/tues were like that for me but was he an angel yesterday so remember you're not alone and tomorrow he might have a few long naps for you and give you a break. Big hug x

crap night here. sooo tired. dunno what to do. feel blah. fed up. . will read your posts later. too tired now. going to have a nap while lo sleeps his rough night off. oh the joys of motherhood

Our night was OKish. I'd decided to start LO in our bed at her last feed at 11 ish and see if she slept through. I had visions of my post this morning reading something like 'yes, yes, she fecking did it' but alas that is not the case AND I had to feed her which was a PITA as the night before I didn't have to. ANyway she woke at 3 for a feed and did a bit of fidgetting in the night which required a bit of patting, handholding and shoving in of dummy but all in all we both slept better because I could just fall asleep again quicklyish as I wasn't actually fully conscious unlike when I get out of bed to her. Anyway, we'll see. DH wasn't 100% about it as he slept worse worried we were going to bury her under the covers

Sorry girls but we had THE BEST NIGHT EVER YIPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It didn't start well. Ds went to bed about 8 then woke up couging about 9 and was sick everywhere. DH brought ds into living room while i cleaned up ( to be fair I did insist i do it as I'm a demon with the dettol!) and then we all went to bed. Ds was in with us and wriggling like a mad thing so i popped him in his cot beside us and he went straight to sleep. he woke at 3.30 for 5 mins for some milk and then slept until 8am!!
In summary our night was
10-3.30 (up for 5 min)
3.30-8am
I'm almost in shock. I know it'll all go tits up again tonight but at least for one day(and possibly one day only) I feel like a normal human being

Thanks for all the welcomes.

bampa!

All seems well in our house, lo did ok last night, she woke as DP came up to bed (about 30 mins after me) but he went in and shhed her and she went back to sleep until about 5 - yay! She got up early today but I have been putting her down earlier so I think she is finally re-adjusting her body clock. She pretty much did 7 - 7 but I did feed her at 9pm and the one at 5am. I bet I will just get it right and the bloody clocks will change
Am looking forward to starting weaning this weekend - I have got baby rice and am going to buy a mountain of fruit and veg today DP has been warned - I am going to be pureeing tonight so he is on duty! I have also bought the Annabelle Karmel book but it seems a bit complicated so don't know if my cooking can keep up with all the new things every couple of days. Might try soft finger food once she has had a few days on purees and see how she does. She did quite well on a bit of stolen sandwich last week lol
Have a good day

feel as if i wil be the only one left on this thread with my ds who cannot sleep through. feel utterly s*t about it. Glad you are having good nights but when is it my turn.. Dunno what the f**k to do. Couldnt nap now as my mind is swimming. Exhausted beyond belief. Peed off. aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhgggggggggg

mornin all!
our night wasnt too bad, bed at 7pm, woke at 8, 9, 10 so i got into bed at 10 with her. fed at 11.30, 2.30, drink at 5.30 (short nibble) then up at 6.45 with a big

maebee, glad it helped and cheers! big glass of vino tonight (slurp)! soz about tooth infection

ginger re weaning, yes it is complicated. i nearly had a breakdown when i first started AND i've already been thru it once. what a dope!! have calmed down now, just going at dds pace. she's getting enough with the bfing so know she wont starve. gave her some toast this am. gummed a few mouthfuls off and chucked most on the floor. was cute to see tho!! am giving her pureed mush too btw!!

kiera thankyou for that lovely vision this a.m (breastpump!!!)anyone else doing anything we should know about while on here???!!! sorry you feel so tired and frustrated. you're doing a great job sweetie am 100% with you this a.m. have tried to put lo down 3 fluffing times now, she is SOOOO tired but refuses cos theres no boob, even tho shes done it before countless times. it's turned into whos more stubborn atm and i'm not bloody sure whos winning. shes grumbling on her baby gym so will have another go......

cruise more later.....

tfft!! shes finally gone down and will probably be awake in 30 mins so will be brief. feeling guilty cos her eczema has flared up cos she got cross. probably shoulda caved in and given the boob....just dont know what to do for the best sometimes

bampa am V for you but also V V stay positive, it will be fine tonight too!

ruth good night for you too, well done. hope you enjoy the weaning game!! i got a bit stressed at first, but have chilled out and am enjoying it heaps now its SO sweet when they give you a big gummy smile thats coated with whatever theyve been tasting, messy, but sweet!!!!

ginger, how long did lo feed for, might have been just thirsty. was reading about it on the dr sears co sleeping doo dah. says if they have a short feed, are just quenching their thirst, not actually hungry. made sense to me last night as her 5.30 (or whatever time it was!) feed was V brief, but i also had to have a drink of water too, was quite warm in bed!

cruise have read thru my original post, how did i think that was not too bad a night. i was up and down like a yo yo til i went to bed. you are NOT the only one and youre doing a brill job. look how much quicker the settling time is for your ds. i know its frustrating, we've jsut got to keep going. they WILL grow into the idea that sleeping is a good thing to do. chin up

tibsy - i doubt my lo will ever want to sleep throgh. am hating being so tired and down.

oh cruise, i'm sorry youre feeling like that. believe me, i HAVE had those times too. i know i can come across as being a bit flippant sometimes and ready with a joke, but on the flip side (i'm a bloody libra wouldnt you know, always striving for balance...see there i go again)... anyway, on the flip side, there have been times when i've felt really desperate. know its not a help to you, but dd being a clingy, mardy arse today.
cant remember i'm sorry, but are you co sleeping after ds wakes up in night or do you not like it?

Cruise, you're definately not alone. We all have days when we feel absolutely shit. I know I do. Today I was thinking about how my blood pressure feels sky high and I've never felt so stressed in my whole life as I do at the moment due to tiredness, frustration, being overwhelmed etc. I wouldn't change DD but it is completely and utterly knackering especially if you don't have friends and family close by to help out. Me and DD have never been apart in the 6 months that she's been around and sometimes I get so utterly pissed off that I can't even go to the loo in peace.

Anyway, remember, we've been on this thread together since the begining and I can't see much of an end in sight either. My night was definately only better because I didn't have to actually get out of bed she was right there. Am going to try her in her own room next week so may go from best night in 6 months to worst.

Have you thought about hiring in one of those sleep consultant types? Not sure they'd suggest anything you haven't already tried but might be worth a go. Anyway gotta go as DD is a right grumpy arse today and will not nap without a fight so I'm just going to prepare myself for a few tears. Big hug to you

cruisemum wish you lived nearby and i would come take your ds and my ds for a long walk and give you a break. I remember those days so clearly. You just feel like the worst mother in the world and totally helpless but it def gets easier. Even though my ds still not a good sleeper (except for last night) when they're a bit older (ie over 1) you kind of feel like you can see what's bothering them more and read their body language a bit more easily. 0-6 i found to be the hardest in terms of sleep, 6-12 gets easier and i'm hoping 12mths+ will be easier still. Just know we're all in it together x