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No Cry Sleep Solution - slowly but surely....

255 replies

chIRIStmasfairybigpants · 15/12/2006 12:06

Shiny new thread (saw your post Bikebug

Not been on for a while as we've been a house full of colds and having new heating installed (the warmth is bliss) so DS has been sleeping in with me again as he couldn't breathe
Progress has still been made though as I've only been bringing him in from about 11ish(because I'm lazy)and he's been waking coughing during the evening but managing to resettle himself quite a lot.

I really think we're getting there (though it maybe his age too )

How's everyone else doing?

OP posts:
Swizzler · 29/01/2007 17:45

I think anything that makes us feel like we're doing something positive helps . I'm keeping going with the routine etc in the hope that DS might get his head round the whole night time thing at some point!

How are you getting on?

cruisemum1 · 30/01/2007 18:25

swizzler - tbh I have abandoned all hope of ever getting ds to disassociate my boob wtih falling asleep . The pull off ting sounds great and I do give him less time at the breast in teh middle of the night with mixed success but I lose heart in these so called solutions. I guess ds just loves me so much he wants to be attached!

sweetkitty · 30/01/2007 21:44

hiya everyone just thought I would pop my head around the door and see how you are all doing.

moljam/kittypants - getting well confused with your name change too many kitties

Well progress update - DD2 is now in her own room sleeping 12 hours straight every night. Yesterday morning I had to wake both DDs at 8am in order to get to M&T on time. She went into her own room on Sunday night for the first time, I felt so sad and so didn't want her to go but I was strong and it needs to be done sometime. Friday past was her first birthday too. I'm still waking at least once in the night though, all habits and all that. I go in to her in the morning and theres a lovely smiling baby and we go downstairs for a nice BF. It really has changed our lives. I never thought it would have been this easy to get her to sleep through I think she was ready for it she just needed that final little push so to speak. I couldn't have done it at 6 months though as I feel she did need the milk at that age.

I don't want to sound smug (I know how much smug posts used to upset me when I was struggling) I just want you all to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel we just all adopt a different approach to getting there. For me who was so anti crying, to let her cry for 1 hour 20 mins whilst being comforted by DP for one night now means she sleeps through was really worth it. I'm a more rested and happy mummy and that must be better for the DDs.

Big hugs and good luck to you all xxx

sashasmama · 31/01/2007 07:17

hello

I have been away from this conversation for a long time as we went back to the UK over christmas, then when we got back to malaysia it was busy busy busy. well dd is now 10 months but we are making progress, albeit super slowly.

I stopped feeding her (formula) at night oh, maybe 4 or 5 months ago... and did it help, hell! But i stuck to it anyway. And i agree, kittypants, it is easier than trying to withold the boob.

I had to teach her to use a pacifier for the flight (to cope with the air pressure) and then she got so badly addicted to it that it made her sleeping even worse. she would wake up fifteen minutes after she fell asleep because the damn thing fell off, and then it came to a point where she was so addicted that even my rocking or shooshing would not do, she'd just scream and touch her hands to her lips in a really pathetic way to say she wanted the pacifier...

but i decided it had to stop and spent a week of waking up 7 times a night to rock and rock and shoosh and do the pantley pull off with the pacifier while she screamed. Gradually i stopped giving the pacifier completely, she got used to it and then i decided not to pick her up, to just put her down after her milk without rocking. this took another week of crying (with me having a chronic backache from bending over the cot to stroke her back) and then. One night last week I put her into the cot awake, and for the first time she didn't protest, and then she babbled and pulled yourself up to stand and rolled and kicked for about half an hour while i lay down on the bed next to her, supposedly to show her how this sleeping business is done. Eventually she slowed down, and then, before my very unbelieving eyes, she lay down and shut your eyes.

I still have to help her a bit with some patting and shooshing but i am slowly trying to do less of that too. Twice this week i heard her get up, whimper and go back to sleep by herself. but it's far from sleeping through of course. she still has some bad nights and on a good night will still wake at least twice, but at least now i have hope.

before this i was a complete rollercoaster of an emotional wreck, one day i'll say, sod it, i'm going to let her cry it out, next night i will be in floods of tears on the floor because i know i can't leave her to cry but yet i am too tired to keep going) her sleep became the central focus of my whole life.

i am happy that i decided not to listen to the experts who told me to let her cry it out alone, (she still cried, but i was there with her) and she did not let me down. i am impatient for her to sort this out, but i know i will have to let her take her time. she is a very very strong willed baby and if i did the controlled crying method i know she will win iinthe end because she can cry longer than i can bear to hear it. if your babies are similar please take heart... i believe they will get there, in their own time.

kittypants · 31/01/2007 20:21

yay,sounds like its coming together for you both!!!

cruisemum1 · 31/01/2007 21:09

sweetkitty - the crying sounds horrendous but I am so glad it worked for you and was not in vain . I can well see myself resorting to that if in the long run things don't improve. I pray I don't have to though. Your lo's sleep sound positively sublime and I am a bit but happy you got there.

cruisemum1 · 01/02/2007 20:18

sweetkitty - is it still working fo ryou?

sweetkitty · 01/02/2007 21:35

hi cruisemum - yes she is still sleeping through without a peep. The crying wasn't as horrendous as I thought it would be. Some nights she would take longer than that to settle even when I offered her a boob so she would be on and off the boob getting cross and frustrated for an hour at a time. Bear in mind she cried for 1h 20m for ONE night only and she was never left alone at all. I do think she was ready to sleep through and just needed that final push to convince her she didn't need a boob to fall asleep. She was 1 year old though I honestly don't think I could have done it with a younger baby.

She's walking now as well so she may be exhausted from that too

sashasmama · 02/02/2007 02:37

hello everyone

as i said before, dd is making VERY slow progress... so she doesn't wake up till later now.. but the second time she woke up, at 4 am, i spent 2 hours trying to make her go back to sleep, by which point it was time to get up anyway....!

sweetkity, i don't think i would have been able to make dd get to this point (of comprehending the concept of falling asleep by herself) without putting her in the cot to cry. but i was also with her all the time and i kept talking to her.

i tried my best to not let her cry but in the end i realised how frustrated and horrible i was becoming, and decided that i needed to do something more drastic as losing my rag and swearing at her was probably worse...

i practised all the other stuff in the ncss book for months and months tho, so i felt confident that i had prepared the groundwork well for a bit of crying, which i felt, like sweetkitty, was the little push she needed to get to the next stage (note not sleeping thru yet, just the next stage...)

having said all that, cruisemum1, i also know of mums who say that they had never heard of sleep training and just kept on feeding their babies, and at some point, their sleep patterns naturally evolved and they started to sleep longer... everyone has different thresholds for tolerating sleep deprivation i guess...

as i am typing this from the other end of the world, it's nearly sleep time for your babies in UK... so my fingers are crossed for a better night...

hope to hear from you all tomorrow morning...

Difers · 03/02/2007 15:32

Sweetkitty - good to hear your news! Now DS is 1 I'm sooooo fed up of this twice a night waking thing and am resorting to just letting him sleep with me so I don't wake up as much but am V. tired soI really feel I might have to bite the bullet and leave him to cry soonish, not just yet but soonish.

danceswithbaby · 21/02/2007 21:49

Hey, it's been quiet for an awfully long time. If anyone is still watching this thread, there is hope!

My babe (now just turned 1) has been sleeping for longer periods very gradually, (usually wakes every 1.5hrs or less all night) and has recently started to throw in the odd 6 hour stretch (this is while she has four pre-molars coming through). I haven't really been following NCSS anymore, just co-sleeping and b/f on demand.

After not having a sleep stretch longer than 3hrs since last June, this is a real breakthrough, all the more so because I haven't done anything different. Just natural development I guess.

So there is light at the end of the tunnel and I don't think It's just some other poor bugger with a flashlight...

If anyone is still struggling with sleep dep, stick with it. Your babe is worth it.

kittypants · 23/02/2007 10:06

dwb,glad its getting better for you!.im keeping half eye on this thread!we used baby whisperer in end.worked well,with ds taking it in his stride,he didnt get upset and seemed to sense it was ok mummy was there.but we went away over night onwednesday and he was up hourly then again lastnight so see what happens tonight.im glad we tried ncss first as i feel it helped me help ds!gave me confidence.glad things are going well for you!

BikeBug · 23/02/2007 15:33

Hey dwb and kittypants, good to hear things are going well (or at least well-ish). We're not really doing NCSS any more either, I think I've taken everything I can get from that book. We must have the best bedtime and nap routines in the world! DS still wakes up every couple of hours but he has done 5 hours twice and 6 hours once. They were the 6 hours from 7pm-1am, grrrr, but maybe it means we are getting somewhere. I can see his sleep patterns changing, and he demands to be put down awake now, wriggling out of my arms, so I just stand by the cot and stroke his back if he gets upset because he can't fall asleep. DH is doing the midnight-4am shift this week, so I'm hoping that will help (worked for Iris after all!). We will get there, one day (he's one in less than 2 weeks, so maybe soon, maybe?....)

cruisemum1 · 23/02/2007 17:14

funny that this thread should reappear. i was about to start a new one asking if anyone ever has any success with the ncss. thepull off thing inparticular. sounds so easy on paper but nothing works and i am getting desparate. like some of you on here my 24 week old ds is capable of doing 8 - 10 hr stretches but has 'forgotten' how to. i am tired, fed up, peed off, want a quick fix but not hours of screaming (ds is VERY persistent/determined etc.) help

danceswithbaby · 23/02/2007 20:54

Cruisemum, poor you. I honestly don't think there is a quick fix. I don't know what to say. Leaving dd to cry was never an option for me, not even leaving her to cry with dh (those of you who have found that helps, PLEASE don't think I'm being judgemental. It just wouldn't work for me). So I tried to stop obsessing about it and get on with life. Hard with so little sleep. DH has been wonderful though. Taking her down in the morning and giving me a couple of hours in bed, walking her out for naps etc.

DD has never slept for long periods, not even when she was first born, so this has been a real breakthrough for us. She did another 6.5hr stretch last night.

I think learning to walk, which she did early has had quite an impact on her and her apetite increased at the same time. She has been terribly slow to take solid food well. She still isn't weaned - far from it, but now has three good meals a day and the occasional snack. The two things combined seem to have kick-started longer sleep for her.

Lots of people would say that we are still having awful nights, with about 3 wakings (1 before I go to bed, 1 about 3.30-4am and 1 about 5.30am before getting up 6.30-7am). But it's brilliant after the last year and I reckon I can cope with that for another year

I'm glad you've had a bit of a result as well Kittypants.

kittypants · 23/02/2007 22:49

dwb,i dont think you could ever be mistakan as being judgemental!sounds like you are having great sucess!3 times is great-we know what we were all doing before!hope for all of us,no matter what we chose that we will all get some sleep!

kittypants · 24/02/2007 09:29

ive just wrapped ncss up to take to post office,as i was rubbing out pencil marks i was thinking what a good book it is!now i want to keep it lol!so maybe its worth having break from it then rereading.

cruisemum1 · 24/02/2007 11:10

dh lies in at weekends. no break for me

kittypants · 24/02/2007 13:01

mine too!7 days a week half the time.i ment break from doing ncss!

Toady · 24/02/2007 14:06

cruisemum

my DH used to do that until i cracked and went ape shit at him. Now I have a lie in on Saturday and he has a lie in on Sunday, only until 10am though, he would be in bed all day if I let him.

danceswithbaby · 25/02/2007 14:39

Good for you Toady! I think my DH started getting worried that I might die of sleep deprivation and he would have to take over permanently

The other thing that I think has improved dd's sleep, is that I noticed (doing sleep logs) that her better nights were always she hadn't slept so much in the day. She really doesn't seem to need the quantity of day-time sleep that the book spouts on about. Now she has about 1.5 hours split over two naps. Also, if I let her sleep after 3.30pm she is a bugger to get down at night.

We've had a couple more six hour stretches since I last posted , but last night was a rough one again. I think it was due to her emerging pre-molar, which I made bleed when cleaning her teeth

sashasmama · 26/02/2007 03:04

hello everyone

glad to see posts here again! DWB, my dd is 11 months and after my last post she was waking up only once for a week, then suddenly she is back to waking every 1 or 1.5 hours again... i was just saying to dh this morning that NO ONE ELSE's BABIES DOES THIS and so i am glad to read your post... i am hoping hoping that the magic 1 year mark may also do something to her sleep, like yours?...

kitty, cruise mum, toady, my dh was never good with making dd sleep so he didn't bother to help. recently though their relationship got much much better and dd is practically in love with her dad and wants to go to him a lot. this has given him more confidence and one night i lost it and started bawling after waking up for the 6th time (and it was only 3.30am!) and he had no choice but to take over... now he helps a bit and we take 'shifts'...

it's driving us both mad though and the depressing thing is this: she has been off the milk and pacifier for months so i don't even need to do the 'pull off'. (and i've tried offering her milk again - doesn't want it) Plus she doesn't even want to be rocked anymore. she just gets pissed off because she has woken up and can't sleep... so she screams...

so we are beyond ncss now... and still no sleep... lots of cry... please someone tell me this will end!!

kittypants · 26/02/2007 13:47

it will end but dont know when!age 14 when you cant get them out of bed!!!?no idea.my eldest 2 didnt sleep till 5 and 4.sorry!

Difers · 27/02/2007 19:50

Hello,

I'm glad people are still posting on this thread. On the recommendation of my Health Visitor I did a bit [one night] of CC. FUTILE. I have done the old Baby Whisperer. FUTILE aswell. I have old Pantley's book by the loo and read it every night. No real improvements at night either but at least it has helped with the day naps. So we continue with out midnight feasts with relish!

Difers · 27/02/2007 19:53

Sashamama,

It has got slighty better though. DS is 13 months now.