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[DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep]

Hello again all- may the sleepers continue sleeping, the new arrivals due or here get the idea very quickly and the rest of us see the light at the end of the tunnel!

I've always wanted a thermomix chocolate :)

Glad the holiday went well!

I'll just have a little moan if that's all right...

Things were improving a little while, but after 1AM last night we were back to DS waking up as soon as I'd finished rocking him and sat down and dropped off to sleep. Got two blocks of forty minutes of sleep in towards the morning, which saved my day. Still pretty knackered, though.

On the bright side I met someone at my breastfeeding group whose baby has exactly the same sleep problems - only she's seven weeks, not seven months

Surely it can only improve from here...

scandi don't feel bad.

DS is 8 months old and still valiantly waking up every 30ms. He reckons anything a newborn can do, he can do better

Guys, my heart goes out to you.

I can't imagine the additional worry with food intolerance on top of the sleep deprivation and the frustration with HCPs.

That's the only thing my children seem to excel at; eating and growing like weeds. The 8mo had two bricks of Oatbix for breakfast. They're monsters. The downside is they truly wake up during the night hungry

I'm horrified at the sleeping on the floor business, especially pregnant Elph- that's well above the call of duty. Hope it gets better soon, Dreaming

Anyone heard from bald?

This better work. 7 wakeups last night. nothing on earth was getting him back to sleep after 5:30am. dt2 up 3 times. Zombie. It's been a long hard day here..27 months. sleep better than this ffs! I don't see how 2 or 3 more nights will transform him right now. Sleep chat tomorrow at 8am so we'll see what Ann thinks.

Going out to see some people.with one of the physios at my new company tomorrow too-argh!!! Don't feel.with it

every 30 mins at 8 months is quite impressive poppy Good effort your ds

Oh dear, Dreaming By sleeping on the floor stage DS literally popped up two or three times a night to check I was there then lay himself back down then, like I say, slept through pretty well after three nights (which was a total and utter shock to both me and Ann, I must say). A few stumbles along the way from then until the Perfect Being he is now, but nonetheless we didn't get seven wake-ups.

What did Ann have to say this morning?

Well, just to cheer you up dreaming we have gone all to pot here as well. The last few bedtimes have involved a whole world of hysterical screaming. Not just annoyed crying but really, proper full on screaming. Last night was so bad I ended up giving her cuddles and she fell asleep on my lap. I am putting it down to the heat and some newly appearing molars.

We were doing so well!

I'll be back but we added a vomiting bug for dt2 into the mix last night

only 4 wakeups from. dt1 do apparently that's good.

Yawn.

Grouphugs to you scandi, Dreaming and Hear.

I contacted Ann on Monday to ask beg her to take us on but still no reply. :( Does anyone have a phone number or email address for her that is not top secret? The contact page on her site only featured a web form. It might have a glitch but more likely she was put off by our description

Peregrin It's who you know with Ann - she's massively in demand so it would be poor form to put her email/number out here. I'm sure if Dreaming passes on your deets, she'll contact you, but if you were actually able to see/use the web form, you may have caught her during a rare opening so I'd just send through another request on the web form if you haven't heard from her within 48 hours. That's what I did and it turned out it was a bit faulty the first time I contacted her that way, so that may be the cause of the delay in response. It also worked better on my laptop than via the mobile site. I hate mobile sites. I wish there was an opt-out option in the bastard things as they're always shit.

Dreaming The times DS gets up are when he's undertired. Is DT2 happy or cranky when he gets up? If happy/neutral I'd say undertired, so cut/drop the nap. DS was most definitely undertired tonight after napping for over 1.5 hours at nursery today. It was my turn to do stories tonight (DH and I swap bath and stories each night) and after about four thousand books read while sitting on the floor, my pelvis/back/compressed ribs/severely restricted lung capacity really could not cope anymore, but DS was still perky as a fresh daffodil and had no intention of getting in bed. I read Goodnight Moon to indicate that that was IT, gave him a kiss and turned the light out and limped off to sort laundry in another room. He was a little irked, but stayed on the floor merrily 'reading aloud' to himself in the pitch dark for about 15 minutes, then got in bed and shouted for me to cover him with his sheet and give him another kiss. He was then asleep in two minutes. I tell this tale to give you hope that the Magic of Ann might soon be yours, Dreaming

Sorry - just needed to go back and read posts.

Hear Such a bastard when set backs happen. Have you tried giving her some prophylactic ibuprofen about half an hour before bed time to see if that takes the edge off the teeth?

Yes, scandi. Yes, it all gets much better after seven months... she said, through a strained and fibbing grimace

Yes scandi it'll improve like, overnight, from here joins Elph in blatant fibbing for reassurement

The good news here is so far no one else is vomiting yet . Last night dt2 didn't settle til nearly 10pm after a 70minute nap. I think he's under tired. He doesn't show the tiredness signs like dt1. Ann does like them to have lots of sleep but I just don't think he needs it! Last night the Terrible one woke at 11:30 as normal and then only twice more I think. And badgered me a bit to get up before his light came on (which is at 6:15am) but settled into waiting more easily and ? dozed off as he certainly didn't notice til 6:30! I'm so fecking tired after the night before though . despite being in bed I couldn't sleep before he woke. then was awake til about 12:30 on his floor. Gah

I never got as far as the online form scandi she was always shut online. Once she contacted me I was on a waiting list. can't remember how long I waited, maybe 6-8 weeks. Then we set a start date 3 weeks away. Worth the wait though, and it's not like he's magically improved ever I don't know what we can do about the fact he seems to want to never, ever, stop waking at 10-11:30pm

How are the molars doing hear? Hope she's returned to her new improved state. The trouble with improvement is you're so disappointed when it's short lived

Sorry, that was online form peregrin Whoops!!

I believe you, Dreaming & Elph - you're obviously only here out of the goodness of your hearts, providing moral support for the rest of us.

DH has three weeks of holidays coming up, I think we should use them to work on getting DS sleep in a bed. Not fussy which bed, as long as it's not on us anymore...

I'm going to hide the Sleep topic.

"Please help, I'm going to die. PBF started sleeping 10 hours + 2 hour naps instead of the reliable 13 hours straight + 4 hour naps. I feel I'm fading fast and losing my mind".

Shut it. Now.

Lack of sleep really breeds,resentment, doesn't it?

I won't win the Parental Solidarity prize either, I fear - it got to me so badly that I told several people who don't even know what Mumsnet is about the poster who was on the verge of a breakdown because her baby had started wakining up for a quick feed at 4AM instead of sleeping through.

Bitter - moi?

Poppy and scandi With the exception of this thread, I completely avoid the sleep board now for just those sorts of threads. I got into so many sleep-deprived fights with people who didn't know they were alive that I banned myself before MNHQ did

Elph fair enough. I am on my knees though and the web form has disappeared. Dreaming if you would contact her for me that would be a great act of kindness.

TGIF! Two days ahead when I get to nap with DS during the day and recover a bit ahead of another work week.

I spoke to a construction worker today whose 2 WEEK old is sleeping through. Then slowly it transpired that she has only put on half the weight she was supposed to after birth, so she seems to have gone into energy saving mode. Poor little thing.

I also work with a woman whose son did not sleep for five years. He became heavily disabled due to a botched delivery at hospital, so she spent her days trying to make sure he gets therapy (all this in a poor area of the former Yugoslavia). Her husband abandoned them when he saw the disabled baby. I think of her when I get embittered by those "my DC wakes once a night and I can't talk it any more" threads. (I still want to shake them a little bit and ask if they have any idea how lucky they are)

Fucking hell, I think it's working! one normal wake at his 10:30 time, DH tried to settle him (no chance) so I went in and took up my position on his floor. Quick bit of reassurance and a head stroke. I lay in my position on his floor, he went back to sleep. at 1am I went back to my own bed as I was too hot and too uncomfortable to stay. Didn't hear from. him til the morning! ! and a.flukily late one at that-7am. Sure that won't last as he's always been a 5:30am boy but hurrah! !!! (though I kept waking, especially at his 5:30 time. .my conditioning is also complete)

Will it last or is it the false hope which will push me over the edge into insanity when it doesn't? !

DT2 couldn't be settled til 10pm last night though, again, when we'd both lost it and were doing all things not-Ann

peregrin I couldn't do.the rest of the sleep boards either. I remember your rage at them elph when you reported being completely incensed that someone was too exhausted to cope because her dc woke at 5am- after having slept through all night to get there

scandi the worst thing is DH and I can't seem to stop at the minute the 'who's more tired' argument in not such a barn door start but based around it probably. sigh.

I am reading this thread with interest because I am starting to wander into the camp of "something must be done!"

Elph and dreaming how old are your little ones that camping out on the floor is working for?

Mine is 6.5 months - I'm guessing he might be a bit young for that to work?

He is in his room in a cot, has been since 4months because he is super-long and outgrew the moses basket then.

He's quite happy in his cot in the daytime... he is commando crawling now, so I sometimes pop him in the cot for safety while I shower. (he can see me, I leave door open, shower screen is glass and it's directly opposite) He rolls and crawls about playing with toys, babbling to himself quite happily for 10mins.

The problem is more that he also rolls and crawls quite happily around his cot when he is supposed to be going to sleep!!! After about 20mins he then decides he wants to sleep, but doesn't know how, and gets upset.

Dreaming that is amazing! I want you to report in a week's time that he has continued sleeping through, and we shall order champagne by the bucketful (foetus-friendliness guaranteed).

I am now also personally interested in this not being a fluke because Ann has gotten back to me. There was indeed a glitch the first time but she noticed that her message bounced. She is willing to work with us!