10 month waking at night

[suss]

hello Lynn, everybody else, we have 10 month old babes(they were 9 month old and waking at night) (boy and girl between us) who wake at night, if anybody has any reassurance to give us or some ideas as to what might be the problem, we are pretty sure its not teeth we would love to know. Lynn, last night DB was bad too he woke three times before 9pm he goes to bed between 6.30 & 7pm. But I had an IVF egg collection yesterday, so was in bed and so I didn't go in to him. He started off by moaning, which escalated slightly, but he stopped within 10 mins and went back to sleep. Hooray! Glad to hear you had some sleep over the wkend.

Hi lynn, glad to hear you had a good wkend and that you got some rest. DB woke three or four times last night, but went straight back to sleep after a couple of loud wahs each time, I think he does it just to wake us up! Yes its official we have two top teeth at last, I though they were never going to come through but they are here and he has a huge gap between them, which I presume will close.

Re morning nap, yes his lunchtime sleep has got much longer since we dropped his morning nap but, his night time sleep is still sometimes disturbed and he still wakes earlier than us most mornings, If you want your DD to go to bed earlier in the evening then I would think about cutting out morning nap, bringing her pm nap to start about 12 - 12.30, but DB gets up at 6.45, or sometimes earlier, and goes to bed at 6.45. I would imagine that DD is going to bed late as then is the only time you get to see her, I see DB all day and there are times when I can't wait to get him to bed, as I am completely shattered. So she probably needs to catch up on her night sleep in the morning. Sorry its a long one.

Glad to hear top two are through and sure gap will close as soon as others start to come through.

I've never really kept dd up thats just the routine we slipped into but think it might be good to maybe see how things go if she missed morning nap and try get her down slightly earlier but not too early as I do love spending time at night when get in from work.

Are you ok? You seem a bit down from your threads on Jan 05. Sorry to hear you dont think anyone will be at db birthday. Do all your family live in Wales? What about planning a day out for 3 of you something special to look forward to?

Ryan is waking up 5am again.

Do you think it is a habit of waking up again?

This morning at 4.40am, he wake up crying and i left him for a half hour to cried. He wake up 6.30am, so i fed him!

Ryan was doing so well the last 2 week or so. .

Take care and happy christmas to all x

Hi lynn thanks for your message I suppose I am a bit down, the failed IVF has hit me a lot harder than I thought it would. I thought having one child would make it easier and it doesn't! But we are fine really. Good luck if you going to bring DD's bedtime earlier I wouldn't do it all at once but in stages otherwise it will be v scary for all of you. So start by cutting back her morning nap so that she goes down for her afternoon nap earlier and so will want ot go to bed earlier. Best do it now, if you want her to go to bed earlier as the older they get the harder it becomes!
Natuk, Boys! Did he have a dirty nappy my DS wakes early and will not go back to sleep if he has had a poo. If it is that he will sort out his bowel functions once he knows that you are not going to come in at five in the morning.

Hi Suss, how you doing? I dont think it will ever be any easier no matter how many kids you have its a very emotional rollercoaster and you cant help but build your hopes up and then when it doesnt work you have to do a bit of grieving in a way. Wishing you all the luck in the world for beginning of next year when you try again. Hopefully a lovely Christmas with your family will help cheer you up a bit again.

How is DB doing? I havent yet moved DD sleep routine as I havent really had chance she has been so tired with waking at night that I would have to put up with her being cranky and upset during the day if I cut any of the naps out which wouldnt have been good for any of us. I will maybe try when her sleep pattern settles again as I would like to have a bit of time to myself before bedtime, even if its just 1/2 hour or so.

Hi Natuk sorry to hear Ryan is still wakening, did he settle again over the weekend? Unfortunately I have no advice as my DD still doing the same. Does Ryan have any teeth yet? I think DD wakes sometimes out of habit and sometimes teething and sometimes just for a cuddle back to sleep which last night at 4am I was not too chuffed about but cant be mad when sit looking at her wee face although had a couple of tears feeling sorry for myself through tiredness. Oh the joys of parenting!!

hi LynnC

Well Ryan slept well last night, from 9pm to 8am this morning!

If i put ryan down at 7pm, he won't sleep through you see. So i put Ryan now at 8 or 8.30pm.

Over the weekends, wasn't too bad i guess. From 8.30am - 5.30am (let him cried for couple of mins) evenually fell asleep again to 6.30am.

Ryan has got 4 teeths at the moment, i think he is teething. He was screaming his head off esrlier on, like in pain.

love

Natuk

Thats great Natuk, it makes all the difference when you manage to get a good sleep and makes dealing with things easier too. Hope Ryan has settled a bit now, its awful when they get so upset and cant even explain to them what is happening to them. Hoping you get another tooth through soon and he settles again.

Natuk also meant to say I hope things with your ex have settled and you and Ryan are doing well without him (I posted on your other thread) Hope you dont mind me mentioning it just realised when talking about Ryan who you were

Morning - how did you all sleep last night? Well I had another awful night and absolutley knackered. All dd wants is to be held all night lately and nothing else seems to work. I was at wits end last night. I've never been brave enough to leave her crying for any length of time but really considered leaving her to it last night which is terrible I know bad mummy I think she might be teething just now??? although always seems to be easy reason to fall back on. As soon as I put her back into her cot and walked to the door the crying started again, and again, and again. That was with medised, powders, calgel and a 2 oz bottle of milk. Just feeling bit low just now and dp doing my head in also, its like having two babies only worse as dp talks back!! Anyway sorry for my rant just feeling sorry for myself which is never good start Hoping after couple doses of caffine to be feeling better.

DS will be 10 months old on Friday. I have only read little bits of this thread and realise that its on going .... I am going to jump into it!

I am tired, tired, tired! DS always wakes at least once a night usually twice a night. We have managed to get him to bed around 7pm most nights which is great(not last night though, more like 10pm ) . At the moment when he wakes in the night we usually give him milk as its seems to be the easiest way to settle him. It doesn't sound that bad, but when your sleep has been broken for months and months and months... you all know it wears you down. And I am back at work, struggling badly to concentrate because I am so tired.....

Any suggestions? Should we try slowly reducing the amount of milk we give? Leave him to cry it out (not so keen on that).

Has anyone here been successful in getting their LO to sleep through.

Leo Sorry, didn't realise DS waking was so hard for you - can totally sympathise as I've been struggling with just one waking recently at 5am.

Is DS having a bottle in the night now, if so maybe you could try reducing the amount over a week or so. This is how I cut out night feeds and it took about a fortnight. I started at 6 oz and just cut it down by an oz every couple of nights until he was down to 3oz. Then I started diluting the feed so I was only putting 2oz of formula into 3 oz of water. When he settled after having this, I knew he wasn't waking because he was hungry so I started wrapping him in a blanket when he woke and cuddled him back to sleep. Took another week but then suddenly he started sleeping through (unil 5am anyway) and other than when he is poorly/teething, he has gone through ever since.

Now, I never, ever feed him in the night. I used to feed DD when she was porrly just to settle her and the minute she was better, she started sleeping well again. I just know DS isn't like that so we don't even go there !!!!

Hugs to you and good luck

Leo, meant to add that I did the blanket wrapping thing at 5am as well and DS used to go back to sleep after about 10-15 minutes. About a week ago though he started wanting to get up and not for love nor money could I get him back to sleep. After a few days of starting that early, I decided enough was enough and (whispers very quietly) I did controlled crying. He cried (loudly) for 15 minutes (after spending half an hour trying to get him back to sleep) and then he took himself off to sleep and woke at 7.45 Last night went to bed good as gold and woke at 6.15am So as hard as it was, it was 15 minutes and it took one night.

Good luck whatever you decide to do.

Thanks Busy, its just really got on top of me the last couple of weeks as I've been ill and its really affecting my ability to work at all which is worrying me and I also know the tiredness is killing my immunity which means I am not getting over one cold or flu properly before the next one comes along!

He usually has a bottle in the night (last night around 1.30 and then again at 5), he usually wakes up around 5, but its unpredictable whether or not he will go back to sleep again.

I think I am going to try reducing the amount of milk at night before trying cc. I'm not sure dh or I have the stomach for cc and we need to do it when we don't have to go to work (urmmm, that would be over christmas !).

Did your ds really struggle and struggle when you wrapped him up in a blanket? If ds is restrained at all he goes completely mad and I'm not really strong enough to keep hold of him anymore so leaving him in his cot to cry may be the only way !

Leo, he never really struggled as I used to swaddle him as a baby and it's almost as if he likes the snugginess of it. He has struggled once or twice when he's been particularly adamant to stay awake but he gives in very quickly.

I decided to do cc on the spur of the moment. For about the fourth night in a row, he wouldn't go back to sleep at 5am and I'd been trying for about half an hour, I was cold, tired and fed-up so I just thought, right here goes. Went in every five minutes (so made three visits) and then off to sleep he went. Here's hoping it's a long term success story.

You have to want to do it as he really did scream for the first 10 minutes and I sat watching the clock for each 5 minutes to be up. BUT if he starts sleeping through until 6/6.30, then it will deffo have been worth it as I was on my last legs starting the day that early with DD to look after as well.

Do what you think is right but definately try the reducing milk thing frst as you need to be 100% certain he isn't waking out of hunger.

Good luck.

Had a better night last night ! Ds went to bed at 8.30 and I went at 9.30, he didn't wake until 5, had (a reduced amount of) milk and went almost straight back to sleep until about 6.30 ! I'm feeling much better today!

Leo, that's fantastic news. I bet you feel a million dollars today. Isn't it funny how you can feel at your wits end one day but it only takes one night of sleep to feel brand new again.

Hope he keeps it up

Ryan is poorly, he has got a stomach bug.

I was up most of the night with him, Ryan was being sick! I am knackered indeed, only had 2 hours sleep. I have taken Ryan to see the doctors and check him all over etc.

I really hope you'll be better by Christmas, Ryan seem to be better today (fingers cross).

LynnC, my ex still hasn't been in contact with me, still very strange indeed! He hasn't even bother sending Ryan a 1st Christmas card! Some father huh!

Happy Christmas to you!

oops!! "hope Ryan will be better by christmas"

Hello everyone, hope you had lovely time over Christmas and New Year and you are now managing to get some well earned sleep.

Unfortunately I seem to be getting worse sleep wise. DD took really ill with cold, struggled to breath properly and coughing and so the nightmare began...After two nights of having less than 3 hours sleep each night and taking not well myself I done what I swore never wanted to do and took dd into bed with me only now four nights down the line and still feeling grotty myself dd just will not sleep in her cot any longer after a few hours she wakes crying and is fine being held but unless I want to live on no sleep I have resorted to taking her with me. I'm angry with myself but at same time it was so upsetting crying myself trying to settle dd which isnt good either.... as you can guess from all faces I'm pretty low and anyone with any good advice to break this cycle I stupidly got myself into I would be really appreciative.

Natuk how is Ryan, sorry he was so sick, its horrible when they arent well and feel so sorry for them. Hope you had great Christmas too and as for your ex he is missing out not Ryan and sure you had much better time without him although sure it was hard for you too. Lets hope the new year brings better times for you both.

Suss hoping things going well with db and you had lovely time with your family at Christmas.

Hi Lynn

I am exactly in the same boat, so don't be alone. I have a 15 month old who is waking in the night. I have tried putting him in bed but he just screams and screams so I end up taking him to bed with me. It is so much easier isn't it?

I just want him to sleep through the night and I need a good night sleep as well. Ah the joys of motherhood!!

Thanks michelley good to know I'm not only one. Well dd still in with us every night and dont see this cycle breaking any time soon . We do put her down to sleep in her own cot first but then the crying starts after a few hours and its just so much easier to lie beside her in bed than sit up for hours on end cuddling her which I did for a long time.

Happy new year, well it sounds like a sleepless new year for most of us - DB decided to play in his cot for four hours from 10pm until 2pm the night after new years eve and then started screaming as he realised it wasn't morning and we weren't getting up, that was an interesting night! I hope all those Lo's who have been ill are now better. Lynn thanks for asking about christmas - it was busy I spent four days in the kitchen and my dad moaned the whole time, even about the clearing up, which he didn't do, on christmas day. We escaped back to London on Boxing Day evening, I must admit to being v relieved to be home. DB had a fab time though, but I hardly saw him, which I was v sad about. Its his birthday next Friday, we are having a party on the sat, only one of my brothers is coming and my father has decided to go to scotland instead. He told me that DB should have been born at the beginning of Feb then it wouldn't interfere with his plans!

Happy New Year suss nice to hear from you although very sad to hear about your dad, thats not very nice thing to say and to moan all Christmas must have been very hard to deal with especially since you would have wanted it to be so special for DB. Hopefully you can manage not to let his comments affect you too much although can only imagine how hurt you are. Glad to hear your brother is coming to DB party on Saturday. I know you would have loved your dad there but if he wants to miss out on his grandson unfortunately you cant stop him. You will have a great and very happy day with everyone else hopefully . Its DD birthday this sunday and as far as i know people will be coming to see her (hopefully) no definate plans although got a cake and baloons and party hat saying I'm 1 today - very cute. My parents are divorced and dont speak so like christmas will have to organise a clocking in and out system, very depressing - families eh!!!! So are you going for another round of IVF soon? Best of luck sending lots and lots of wishes everything goes to plan this time.

Happy New Year!!!

Ryan and i was ill over Christmas Period (stomach bug .

Since then Ryan has been waking up 5 or 5.30am for a feed. I know it is my mistake by giving him a feed.

I think i have to do CC again, to break the 5 or 5.30am. He is having 3 good solid foods a day.

What should i do? Do the CC again?
Many thanks!! x

Sorry its a long one! Natuk yes do CC again, it should be quicker this time as he'll know he is not getting any benefit out of you coming to see him. But if that is all too traumatic you could try fading - ie replace milk with water, then after a few nights stop the water, but go in, then go in but don't pick him up, then go in and don't talk and so forth til you no longer have to go in. It does work as do all these sleep training methods - it just takes longer. You could if you are really tired just leave him to cry, it will take three nights and I know its horrible, but in the end the amount he cries is much less than with CC. My mother told me that no baby will starve itself. so don't worry about the food/bottle as soon as he knows he is not going to have a bottle at 5.30 am he will eat more during the day. I really really recommend a book by Marc Weissbluth called 'Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child'. He is a paediatrician specialising in child sleep problems. he says that it is not so important how you teach your child how to sleep, but that they learn to do asap, as night waking problems develop into adult sleep problems.

Hi Lynn, Hope the Bday goes well/ went well. Thanks for you message was feeling v low over Xmas but now back to chirpy self. Fantastic that your DG has started to crawl, it won't be long before she's standing up and pulling every thing off the shelves etc like DB! I wish he would walk he is getting a little heavy! Sleepwise we have had a couple of hairy nights recently but I hope that this too shall pass! We are going for IVF in March/April - more detail in Jan 2005 babies. Sweet dreams everyone!