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Mumsnet - please can you sort out all the Jade posts?

262 replies

PussinJimmyChoos · 22/03/2009 22:26

Its horrible. Regardless of what she did/didn't do, she was a mother. We are all mums and God forbid we will ever have to go through something like this, knowing we will leave our kids behind and not see them grow up.

Threads like this are not in the spirit of Mumsnet and yes, I can hide them if I want, but to be honest, would like to see them deleted. I know policy is to let the debates run with minimum intervention, but tonight its going too far

Thanks,

Puss

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AitchTwoOh · 23/03/2009 16:39

oh my GOD... you think that parents having their child abducted should be on the same level as selling yourself to the press for nearly a decade? you don't think that there's a difference?

ahundredtimes · 23/03/2009 16:40

No, you've got that wrong scaredoflove. As I understand it people disliked exactly the same things about the MM threads, as they do about the JG condolence threads. I don't think it's different standards - it's exactly the same standard.

Some people see it as natural that they should express their personal dismay or compassion in these situations, and to discuss it and share their feelings.

Some people think that doing that shows a weird thrill, they think it's rubber-necking and and it makes them uncomfortable and they think it's a bit phony.

That's all. Different folks, different strokes etc - presumably there's a middle ground too.

Yes, agree about it being their need, but isn't that always the case with death rituals? I think it's really interesting all these public responses to death. We're quite removed from death as a society.

AitchTwoOh · 23/03/2009 16:41

what i objected to about the mmc threads was the lurid speculation that kate mccann and her husband had done it.

beanieb · 23/03/2009 16:41

Sorry for the way I did it. It was CreativeZen who made the comments that I personally think were a bit misplaced, but in fairness she did leave the thread.

beanieb · 23/03/2009 16:42

and I linked to the thread so wasn't intending for people to speculate if it was them, I thought it would be obvious who I meant really.

ahundredtimes · 23/03/2009 16:44

Oh, maybe it was that then.

Thing is - I don't object to the JG threads, not at all. I don't think it's wrong. I wouldn't express myself like that - I don't feel devastated about her death. I think there's LOADS to say about her life.

Beanie on that thread - tbh, all the jumping on was being done by the condolence posters who were put out when someone tried to talk about Jade in a different way than they wanted. Like someone who wanted to talk about her treatment - and everyone got cross.

That's really not hurling slurs or being horrid about her personally. It's just talking about it in a more general, perhaps more removed, way.

AitchTwoOh · 23/03/2009 16:44

just have the courage of your convictions, then, and post names. and if you won't and take the shitstorm, then don't posst iykwim?

beanieb · 23/03/2009 16:46

ahundredtimes - I have said in my post that I thought the person who talked about her treatement wasn't particularly out of order as i do agree her treatment was aggressive and it's fair enough to say that it may have sped up her bad health. Cancer treatments do that.

I do think that posting it in that particular thread was a bit misplaced.

The talking about the treatment thing didn't seem so bad compared to the other comments which were made and which I quoted further down in my post

beanieb · 23/03/2009 16:48

Aitch - I just did post the name

4 minutes before you posted.

noddyholder · 23/03/2009 16:51

The worst thing about all of this is that it isn't really about her at all.She has been so ill for weeks that I'm sure she had little to do with all the fuss.What I do dislike is the ridiculous way this country deals with things like this post Diana.The flower laying the crying in teh streets big funerals already being referred to as a 'production' Most sane people don't really care what they do

AitchTwoOh · 23/03/2009 16:52

yes, sorry, just saw that. i didn't recognise the name so my eye kinda skimmed it, apologies.

scaredoflove · 23/03/2009 16:52

actually no one knows what happened to MM, it is still possible the parents did have something to do with it, just as it's equally possible they are 100% innocent. I think they did sell themselves in the same way Jade did (opening a fund which paid some mortgage payments if media were to be believed) I had no time for the McGanns or Jade Goody but I can still have empathy for them

Jade wouldn't still be news if parts of the general public didn't want to read about her. Obviously, some people did.

ahundredtimes · 23/03/2009 16:53

Oh yes, I see. It is all a bit of a storm in a tea cup though isn't it?

People deal with death differently, I guess, and some people are comfortable being upset about it, and some people mistrust that and have a more demanding response to both death, and Jade herself.

There isn't only one desirable or appropriate response I don't think.

beanieb · 23/03/2009 16:53

lol- see now I am getting fraught and I loke you all so don't want to fall out with any of you over differences in opinion about Jade Goody!

am off home so no more work time to waste on the internet arguing about people who have died!

laters! maybe I will be more chilled out later :D

daftpunk · 23/03/2009 16:54

aitch....what's wrong with selling yourself to the press?....most "celebrities" do it..

ahundredtimes · 23/03/2009 16:54

They are televising the funeral apparently noddy, is a proper production.

AitchTwoOh · 23/03/2009 16:54

mwah! to beanie.

and McGanns?

ahundredtimes · 23/03/2009 16:56

beanie - like you too. I don't think anyone is falling out are they? We're not, that's for sure.

daftpunk and aitch might be about to.

AitchTwoOh · 23/03/2009 16:57

no, not saying anythin's wrong with it per se, just that it puts her in a different place, that beingi the public eye, being talked about is her job, whereas the mccanns just went on holiday.

scaredoflove · 23/03/2009 16:58

McCanns then, see I said I had no time for it all

AitchTwoOh · 23/03/2009 16:59

actually, there's probaby lots wrong with it and it's why our culture is so debased, but for the purposes of this discussion...

herbietea · 23/03/2009 17:12

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QuintessentialShadow · 23/03/2009 17:23

It is because people are shallow and unable to apply their minds.

Jade Goody has succeeded where the government and health professionals have failed, not because she is a genious, not because she ever set out to do this, but because she is a reality tv star, and the only thing that seem to take peoples interest today is reality tv. Before people had a "macro cosmic" view, taking in the whole world and its issues. Now, people have enough to contend with the various "micro cosmos"es on offer, from twitter to big brother, facebook and forum, where they focus on numerous unknown entities.

The focus have shifted from One Big Famous Super Ant to the aunt colony and small segments within.

She was not a nobody. She was a anybody.

QuintessentialShadow · 23/03/2009 17:24

Disregard the first sentence of my last post. Please.

georgimama · 23/03/2009 17:26

Oh, I was about to whole heartedly endorse the first line of your post.

Oh well.

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