Mumsnet - please can you sort out all the Jade posts?

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Its horrible. Regardless of what she did/didn't do, she was a mother. We are all mums and God forbid we will ever have to go through something like this, knowing we will leave our kids behind and not see them grow up.

Threads like this are not in the spirit of Mumsnet and yes, I can hide them if I want, but to be honest, would like to see them deleted. I know policy is to let the debates run with minimum intervention, but tonight its going too far

Thanks,

Puss

Well it was a case of sudden and surprising honesty, georgiemama.

Too right FioFio - I can't help thinking maybe this was the reason Jade was put on this earth. (And of course to produce 2 beautiful children) I think we are all here for a reason, and no one else could publicise something like Jade.It's as if it was all fate, her shooting to fame etc.

How many 27 year olds have achieved as much as she did?

I haven't expalined my self very well...but I hope you know what I mean.

I totally agree with the OP.

I think this has done more for screening than anything the government can do is because we have seen what cervical cancer can do. We all ignore statistics and advice but to see someone normal (as in just a very young woman/mother)go through it, has made it all very real

I know many women that put off a smear but now people are seeing what holding off can do, it has made it real

It's the same with any illness, if we know or see how it happens, we are more aware

I've just been on the World Service talking about this with Lucy Mangan!

Interesting how NO ONE has said that actually NOT smoking and avoiding early sexual encounters is far more effective in reducing cervical cancer than any smear?

actually, it isn't multiple partners or early sexual encounters that is the problem, you only need one who carries the virus*.

I don't know about smoking but I don't think Jade was a smoker

(*happy to be corrected there though)

I'm also annoyed that I've heard a few soundbites of women saying stuff along the lines of "Well they hurt and they're embarrassing but it's so important to have one" - well done for putting people off.
I can say in all honesty that my smears have never hurt, and as for the embarrassment, it is one nurse (unless you want more) in a room - if you ever want to give birth then you'll go through a lot more situations like that!
Sorry, I realise I'm preaching to the converted here, but do these news people not THINK?!

I saw something like that on the local news.
what a shame they couldn't have said how the new thing they use is not so cold. also they had this horrid scarey looking chair in the picture. I think a man must have directed it.

My mum has her smear done privately when she visits friends in Denmark! She says the whole process is just more friendly and they explain what they are doing and they let you see on a screen what they can see (I think - well according to her they do anyway - they use different instruments!).

I think (and am going wildly off topic here) that a big problem with the way smears are done here is that they assume that everyone is comfortable with their bodies, or knows what is going on, so they expect women to come into the clinic and remember what to do and how to position themselves etc. Plus I think we put far too much emphasis on our vaginas being sexual organs which makes women or young girls feel embarrassed about anyone having anything to do with them.

But they don't. If my experience is typical they cover you with a sheet from the waist down then ask you to draw your knees up and let your legs fall apart. Got told to relax my hands and breathe deeply. Wasn't told the technical details but was told what they were using, and what to expect.

You wont here me say this ever again but there is a mail article I agree with on this topic.

I don't think anyone is pretending she was a saint though!

Personally I think that is a terribly written article. Someone trying far too hard.

'like a tray of loaves'

'blurry with pain and fogged by opiates'

'Should we even have been privy to these distressing and most personal of images in the first place?. It is a question the country has exhausted itself trying to answer' !!!!!!!!!! what country is Jan Mooir living in?

'Now we have learned that one of her deathbed wishes was for a grand, public funeral.' - I thought this had already been denied by the family?

And they caption the pictures with "From left to right; feckless Jeff Brazier" FECKLESS!? what makes anyone think that?

'Her mother Jackiey, a one-armed lesbian and former drug addict' I BEG YOUR PARDON!!!?

I could go on but what bit of this article is in any way good?!

and this is just mean and foul

"The showpiece was supposed to be the fairytale Jade and Jack wedding, but close viewing of the Living TV documentary revealed a grimmer story. Goody's sons and family were in visible distress for most of the tortuous ceremony, in which no one, least of all the bridal couple, had anything profound to say."

that articlue is jam packed full of snobery and cruelty and snidness. It's foul foul foul!

Why have I not read any of that?
Beanie you have made me feel better as I was quite disturbed that I was in whole hearted agreement with a mail article and I have been freed from that curse. I am officially crap at multi tasking.

lol! sorry :D

though to be fair your link didn't work for me and so maybe I have found teh wrong article?

I dont know I was reading it while watching dd dance and laminating.

beanie, I think you found the right article and it was horrid. There were a few, very few, sensible comments but most of it was pretty shoddy.

I think the best part of any post I have seen so far was QS saying "she was not a nobody - she was an anybody" and that is absolutely it - she took the fact that even the apparently dimmest and (at the time) least good looking people could "make it" on TV - how many people then thought - "if she could do it, then so could I!"
which is why, I would think, many women are now thinking "if she could die of cervical cancer at an early age, so could I"

I have apologised for the article I clearly only skim read it and saw the few sensible comments and thought that is good. In my defence I had 2 hours sleep last night