Mumsnet - please can you sort out all the Jade posts?

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Its horrible. Regardless of what she did/didn't do, she was a mother. We are all mums and God forbid we will ever have to go through something like this, knowing we will leave our kids behind and not see them grow up.

Threads like this are not in the spirit of Mumsnet and yes, I can hide them if I want, but to be honest, would like to see them deleted. I know policy is to let the debates run with minimum intervention, but tonight its going too far

Thanks,

Puss

are you sure it wasn't william blake? [drugs]

Rofl @justaboutback

Woah Nellie! There's some serious biblical sh*t going on there.

Well, I guess it makes a change from the usual funeral address.

"We don't generally delete things on the grounds of poor taste or even retrospectively delete things because someone, tragically, has died, because it really does become impossible to know where to draw the line"

Justine - however, you deleted two posts of mine which, while acknowledging the tragedy that Jade's death is to her family, went on to give my opinion of the public image she presented and how unacceptable I found it, and how I was outraged I was that se was being reconstructed in people's minds as someone who did good work in the world, and who was an example to young women everywhere. How does that work?

Hi Seeker - having looked at it (and there were a lot of people who reported it) I'd say your post was deleted on the grounds that it was a personal attack (on Jade and her family). A touch and go call perhaps and maybe something we'd have left had it not appeared on the day she died.

(This moderation thing is, in truth, necessarily more art than science).

Jade-haters?

How can anyone hate someone they've never met and know nothing about?

WHO on here hates Jade? who's said that?

"Jade haters"?

WTF are "Jade haters"?

I don't "hate" Jade Goody. I don't know Jade Goody.

There was a long discussion going on here about the media aspects of this matter before I came along. Presumably people have posted on this thread because other people had (understandable) issues with active convos being totally cluttered up with new threads about Jade Goody.

You are a strange person as far as I can tell.

There's a big difference between watching the public death of Jade, and the soon to be televised funeral with an open jaw of fascination and surprise, and being a Jade hater though.

Nobody hates Jade on here, do they? But she's worthy of discussion surely? You don't decide to die in public and not be up for discussion. And for everyone the discussion is NOT 'I'm so upset, I feel so awful for her children' - some people like to discuss things differently than just say that.

If I say, my god, isn't this something, this Jade is Dead Circus - it doesn't make me a Jade hater.

justabout - there is no such thing as an 'anti' or 'pro' Jade person.

Unless I've missed about 500 threads to the contrary, which I might have done.

'It's not just about Jade, it's about celebrity tragedy and the way we deal with it:' -

I don't understand what that means, at all. It makes no sense. What is celebrity tragedy?

A thread about a thread. Wow and I thought this place had changed.

It's not just been threads expressing sadness about her which have been hijacked by those who want to discuss the issue, though, dittany.

Threads which have been started with the express purpose of discussing the issue have also been hijacked by those who wish to express sadness and don't like the idea of discussing it.

It's been back and forth so that every single thread ends up the same. I'm quite happy to just go with the MNHQ sensible decision on the matter, now last nights thread-bumping madness is over, tbh.

And as far as I noticed, no one actually did start a thread called "Post your tributes to Jade here" or "Condolence Thread for the Goody family"

The threads were all called "JG has died" or something like that - and I see no reason why a thread with a title like this should be "positive' comments only.

"If you started your own threads about the coverage of her death and your "distaste" for it then fine," really? No-one would come on to the thread and say "ffs the woman has died/some people are upset/"? no-one? Yeah right.

And wtf is "celebrity tradgedy"? does dying somehow have greater meaning if you're a celebrity?

It is not possible to hate someone you don't know. It is possible to hate what they stand for, i.e. a culture where you can grow up with nothing and become a "celebrity" and sell your life to the likes of ok magazine, but not the person.

And equally it is not possible to grieve for someone you don't know.

It is sad that Jade has died but the way it has unfolded in the news and the 'circus' elements of it are going to be of interest to people too.

I would have liked to have ignored it all, having the same diagnosis less than a year ago makes it a bit close to home, but it's been impossible not to see her face between the baskets and the fruit salad every day in the local shop as well as everywhere else.

I didn't like the thread bumping yesterday though, it made me feel really odd, but then it's hard for me to be objective.

No reason other than taste perhaps Seeker?

I'm not an avid fan, nor do i subscribe to the view that Jade deserves all the nasty comments that have been posted about her over the last few days. And i think most of you have to admit that there has been an awful lot of those.

I don't think you can regulate what is said on a public forum but i would hope that most people would have a modicum of respect for the fact that a young woman has died on Mothers day leaving behind two young children and manage to refrain from posting what amounts to personal slurs about that young woman.

I have a feeling that a lot of the recent stuff about Jade is coming out of a feeling of guilt - there are a lot of people who are willing to kick someone down when they are at the top of their own personal tree but when that person falls out of the tree, they will not continue to kick them, but maybe check out they are ok and haven't broken their neck.
Other people would continue to kick them because, regardless of how badly they are hurt, they are still the "same person" as when they were at the top of the tree.

To me, this suggests that some people are more capable of condemning the behaviour rather than the person, and others just see the person as an exemplar of something they despise but can't separate the person from the behaviour.

In the end she has died now and deserves a level of, if not respect, then desistence from the kicking.

I don't really agree that you can't grieve for someone you don't know - I am not grieving the loss of Jade, but I was very sad when Freddy Mercury died. I didn't know him either, but his loss grieved me - such a great artist and I never got to see him live in concert.

Eh? What? Eh? Don't understand your aside. Don't know what you are on about.

I think I've missed all the stuff where people were horrid about her and mounted personal attacks on her, so if that has happened then yes, that's not nice and no good. I like Seeker's idea. Let's have a Condolence thread, and a Contemporary Culture thread. If we want one. Am sorry for Guad though, that's not nice for you.