FWR being trolled by a user called AidaP

[Hedgehogforshort]

Hi MNHQ can you please address the issue of a certain poster called AidaP who is not participating in debate he is just trolling.

to be clear this person is a trans woman who has been convicted of violence and is posting promotion of acts of violence against women elsewhere.

in particular there is one elsewhere about using a roughly hewn rolling pin to rape women.

you realy need to look in to him it is just so not on that he is being allowed to bother us here.

@BeckyAMumsnet

I understood MN can also ban posters for not posting in good faith, and that posting on other social media platforms to comment about MN threads on which one is participating tends to been seen as such.

FWIW I personally do not want that poster banned. I think their posts speak for themselves and their true values very eloquently and the more clearly this is seen the better.

However, how on earth can the Not Posting in Good Faith rule not apply here?

We’d also ask posters to be mindful about repeating or amplifying very serious allegations about other users on the boards. Even when well-intentioned, that can escalate situations quickly and make it harder for us to moderate.

Not four pages in and this already bears repeating.

yes. I recommend that you read some of the VAWG, sexual harassment policies as a start.

I agree - it does seem an odd decision, given the good faith rule.

However, it's the official decision so that's that. This thread has been very helpful though, and has highlighted exactly what sort of aggressive man he is.

Here you go. Posted 09:59, 3 above yours. P's post confirms it is his Bluesky account.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5512787-daughter-in-early-20s-lonely-due-to-gc-views?page=5&reply=151505397

He also posts several times afterwards making similar points that although he said "fuck [her] with a splintery rolling pin" it wasn't an actual rape threat, just demeaning and misogynist language that she deserves for being an uppity women so that is ok then. (I paraphrase but that is the gist).

Fair enough to miss one post but I am surprised given how active you were on the same thread at the same time you missed all the subsequent ones as well. You can see why I would have assumed you had seen it.

Some on FWR were fund raising for him a few months ago.

I am in two minds on this. On the one hand, Operation Let Them Speak worked well; they got more visible with their signs and screaming for women to be shot, hanged, bludgeoned, decapitated, raped and pissed on, and even people who hadn't been paying attention started to realise they were just a bunch of thuggish, perverted men. On the other, not many people here on MN still need convincing of that, and his only purpose here is to disrupt and intimidate. He can say anything on the cesspit that is X where threats, overt racism and disgusting images run riot and nothing is ever done about it, so we can always get screenshots from there for the 12 people left in the country who still don't realise what he and his mates actually are.

Do we really need to put up with this here? There's a reason he chose it. People get banned if they say "I think you're a troll" too often, or are rude for too long.

Threatening to fuck anyone with an implement is a rape threat. Unequivocal. Violent.

Anyone who thinks it's a 'common colloquialism' moves in dangerous circles.

Wow. Patriarchy has really done a number on you.

No, fuck X with a splintery rolling pin is never ok language. You should be shocked at anyone choosing to use it for effect because whether they intend to act on it or not it's displaying a pretty vile go-to set of thoughts about women.

I invite you to consider whether you would consider equivalent language that made light of types of violence that are strongly associated with racially motivated attacks or racial injustice aimed at a Black person as sanguinely as you do rhetoric rooted in sexual violence aimed at a female person.

Yes, thanks.

A PP explained this upthread.

This.

While ‘fuck you’ isn’t necessarily a rape threat, specifying a phallic object with which to do it makes it so. It’s a horrendously graphic image.

Not sure I'm being totally relevant here as I'm not really on social media like twitter(?) reddit etc but isn't the apprpriate course of action to make formal complaint to the polce re causing alarm and distress under the public order act and to continue complainijg until the police act?

Isn't that what TRAs do and isn't that how they deal with their hurty feelz after reading social media posts and get people arrested?

So again these GC people have pushed me from erring on towards GC perspectives, to thinking the GC people make shit up.

Nobody, in the history of MN, has ever said that and been honest. It's a trope trotted out to attempt to discredit FWR posters / the GC perspective. If you really were erring towards GC perspectives, disagreeing with what was being discussed which did not directly refer to the GC arguments really wouldn't be enough to make anybody go, 'Nah, fuck it, TWAW and that's the end of it.'

I don't agree with everything everybody who's GC / a sex realist says. That isn't able to make me disagree with their GC / sex realist views, as they're views I do agree with.

We aren't daft and have seen this trope way too often.

Of course, it’s laughable to opine with any seriousness ‘I’m GC - no, really - or I was leaning that way, but now I’ve seen one or two posts I don’t agree with amongst lots of others, I’m going to do a complete about face and take the opposite view’.

All it lacks is a ‘So there! Nerr, nerr, nerr, nerr, nerr!’ and a raspberry to complete the 6 year old psychology the poster supposedly espouses in seriousness.

Totally transparent that anybody acting in this way was never GC in the first place. And somewhat pathetic to think any adult would fall for it.

@GlovedhandsCecilia It is hard to determine from your strange minimising arguments where you are coming from. I have however no wish to get personal with you.

My profession for many years was DVA/SV, CSA.

I can promise you that the type of language the person complained about is a significant indicator of risk to both women and children.

Yep. It's just an inevitable consequence of the fact that GC relies on absolute objective fact. There are very few disputes where one side really is set in absolute objective truth and the other in absolute absurdity, but this is one of them and that's why this tired old method is so transparent.

You might perhaps disagree that calling to fuck women with splintered wood is an actual threat but no honest, good faith person will go from this to "so women do have knobs after all". It's ridiculous. Besides, what decent or honest person would see that debate - is this guy actually threatening women when he shouts about fucking them with splintered rolling pins? - and would decide that the greater offence lay with the women who said he was, and choose to align with the splintered rolling pin dude? Even if you don't think it's a threat, it's a perverse and sick thing to say, and it's certainly not comparable with taking it at face value.

Trying to argue that "fuck bigots with a splintery rolling pin" is perfectly acceptable language is one of the strangest takes that I've heard from the TRA crowd. And that's certainly saying something.

Also worth pointing out that AidaP is fond of screenshotting comments from MN to single out women to mock on his other social media platforms; it's very clear he's not posting here in good faith.

What do you think that "fucking someone with a splintery rolling pin" actually involves? It's a statement of desire to commit injurious sexual assault.

Please let me know what company you work for so that I know not to apply for a job somewhere so toxic. If I made comments like that at work, I'd be in front of HR faster than you can say "inappropriate sexualised violent language".

Actually, in several key respects we are vulnerable and do need safeguarding.

• An adult woman typically has the upper body strength of a 12 year old boy, meaning that we cannot fight off a male attacker. We are also usually lighter and shorter, with thinner weaker bones.
• Said male attacker can choose to weaponise his penis against us, leveraging our own reproductive organs to force us to become pregnant without our consent. This act is otherwise known as "vaginal rape". No woman can leave another person pregnant, and no man can be made pregnant by someone else.

These two physical differences mean that women, as a sex class, have less power than men, and so women do, as a sex class, need to be safeguarded from men. All men, even the nice ones, because we don't know who's nice and who isn't.

@BeckyAMumsnet we are your product. If women are driven off this platform by threats of sexual violence from men, why would advertisers buy space here any more?

why are you giving him a platform? Why does he matter so much to you?

Screen shots please @Hedgehogforshort

This thread is brilliant . GC Mumsnet people at their worst.

Barmy 🤣🤣

Well it’s just more of the tra derailing that’s so popular on here at the moment, isn’t it?