what on earht are you all doing wih tis suiceide stuff

[FluffyMummy123]

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[foxinsocks]

oh I don't doubt there are some genuinely suicidal people but we should not encourage people to post in that situation by letting the threads run and have hundreds of people investing emotional energy because it DOES then give other people the impression that it is tolerated on here and a way to get attention

I am genuinely sorry for people who have got to that level, whether they are genuinely suicidal or so desperate that they require that level of attention seeking, but I do feel MNHQ needs to put a stop to a thread like that virtually as soon as it has started and point them in the direction of the Samaritans.

[EffiePerine]

I find them uncomfortable

[expatinscotland]

I also stay clear in general because I feel they may pose a liability issue in the future.

And I think that's why Samaritans are there.

[MummyDoIt]

So far we've been okay, people have posted genuinely concerned reply and the OPs have not taken their suicidal thoughts. The helpful posters feel good because they've helped someone. But what if, god forbid, someone did actually go on to harm themselves? Apart from that poor individual and their family and friends, how would everyone who'd responded to the thread feel? I personally would feel very guilty if I'd tried to talk someone out of suicide and failed. It's a tricky one as I would never want to turn my back on someone in genuine need of help but equally I wouldn't want to find myself in the situation I described.

[Slubberdegullion]

I completely agree with Threadworm (and tiredemma). The thread should be pulled and an e-mail sent with recommendations to call samaritans or CMHT).

I was talking to DH about this at breakfast (poor man another "there was this thread on mn" discussion over the weetabix). He has done some psychiatry (and sees plenty of pts with mental helath problems). There are varying levels of suicide risk, and obviously different strategies to help someone who is considering it.

I'm not sure a stream of mn posts (although they will all be sympathetic and supportive) are the best thing for someone who is suicidal. There needs to be a conversation with one person who is trained in this and who can give the best support, advice and (if appropriate) referral to other hps/agencies.

[tiredemma]

Anybody who is suicidal needs to be seen by a professional. end of.

[expatinscotland]

I agree, Slubber, 100%.

[EffieOnThePilgrimageOfGrace]

I would also worry about the other posters if there was a bad outcome

[bugger can't do emoticon]

[TolpuddlapinMartyrs]

Taking yesterday as an example though - posters were able to identify the OP from the thread, get hold of someone who knows her, and that person took actual steps which helped (trying not to go into too much detail). IF MN had pulled the thread, she wouldn't have gone to the Samaritans - she's been told to do that before.

At what point do they pull the thread? After the person has been identified? After someone has contacted her? or right at the start?

[CodGuevara]

at the start

[tiredemma]

MNHQ would no who they are, couldnt they 'intercept' and advise to contact samaritans /cmht?

[tiredemma]

ugh- know not no.

[objectivity]

tiredemma absolutely agree. However, are you aware how difficult (years or months at the vry least on waiting lists) to actually get that help?

Mn is very much for problem sharing and I would consider suicidal thoughts are something of a problem. We all proffer opinion here on all manner of topics on which we have no qualification or verified expertise.

Granted,there may be a sense of liability but it is every individual's choice whether or not to post in response.

Also, I have called the Samaritans before now - when I was concerned about the welfare of a friend and also my own state at the time in response to this. Understanding as they were, for a vaguely intelligent and lucid individual as myself I frankly got more out of the cup of tea I made myself afterwards.

Not every person who is feeling desperate wants merely sympathy - some of us want the collective creativity/hope/practical and emotional support and intelligent consideration of the issues at hand.

[TolpuddlapinMartyrs]

how would they know, TE? I could sign up as Joe Bloggs, they'd be none the wiser

[foxinsocks]

RIGHT at the start

it is not our job or role to deal with suicidal people

MNHQ can identify the poster from their registration and if they can't, then so be it. We are not making it into a guessing game. That's just ridiculous.

[objectivity]

...that mumsnet offers

[CodGuevara]

ok so here we are

OP
" i am so sad i am feelign there is no poitn carrying on"


lapin ( on suicde watch) " go and ring the samartians theyw ill halep oyu"

OP " ah but bal balbla

" lapin ( for it is she) goa nd ring the smartians"

[Slubberdegullion]

lapin, I can understand where you are coming from as mn is seemingly coming to the rescue in these situations.

I do however really feel for those regular mners who are identified as knowing the OP, then there is this frantic calling, e-mailing texting etc. There is a whole load of pressure on some poor sod who may well be sat outside in the sun drinking a spritzer and reading Grazia, to suddenly leap into action and drive round to people houses or alert the police.

You yourself (I think) said recently

"I don't know what to do?"

[CodGuevara]

i ahet it all
eeveryone getting all excited and orgasmnign oev th delight of it all

[foxinsocks]

practical support is REAL life objectivity

this is a WEB SITE

and people on here are not trained to deal with suicidal people

[BALDelinePankhurst]

Terribly sorry, not at all appropriate but pmsl at Smartians.

As you were.

[CodGuevara]

yes
smartians.
no blue flavours

[brimfull]

ah but blues allowed in now

have you no theard?

[objectivity]

Real life practical support is virtually non existent in real terms FIS unless you have near hung yourself.

[CodGuevara]

i dont lik em
am chcco snob