Rampant ageism.

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There's just so much of it. If you want to keep the over 60's over here, could we address these hateful posts in a timely manner. One in particular has been reported a while ago. Still there.

I haven't read the thread, but... I don't care about ageism. I'm 77 and going downhill fast. I probably won't see 78.

I'm an old fart, set in my ways, etc etc and so forth. And I don't care who knows it. You can't insult me, everything that can be said has already been said, by myself if not by others. And it's all true.

@Atethehalloweenchocs how have I 'taken advantage?' Honestly you and the OP are priceless. I look forward to seeing you both sweep in on the next younger generation bashing thread to defend them with the same passion

Good post.

@Atethehalloweenchocs

prone to a bit of ageism yourself 😂

Atethehalloweenchocs · 24/06/2023 18:17

I am so sick of this shit - fucking snowflakes wanting to be thanked and praised excessively for doing their damn jobs.

to quote you @Atethehalloweenchocs on another thread

What I see in younger people at work is there is often a sense that if they dont want to do something they are genuinely perplexed as to why they have to do it anyway

Honestly, you and the OP, you couldn’t make it up! 😂

Please can you send me the link? Thanks

What a shame to see how this thread has gone.

It's a very valid thread to have started, as there's a huge amount of ageism on Mumsnet which isn't dealt with often enough.

And to be quite clear, ageism applies to any age/age group.

@Naptrappedmummy no I am 23 and don't really care if people want to stereotype that age bracket.

Ok, that’s fine, but to me either it’s acceptable to make sweeping generalisations based on age or it isn’t. I think it is actually, for all the reasons made in the long and eloquent post above. Because much as the term ‘snowflake’ annoys me I also have the self awareness to realise my generation does seem to find it harder to navigate obstacles in life (even if there’s reasons for that and we’re not the ones moaning about it on a thread 😉). If you don’t understand that a sweeping generalisation doesn’t apply to each and every individual and that it is useful/necessary to generalise at times, then you’ll always be offended and have little to offer to many discussions

@Naptrappedmummy I do completely agree with you there.
The term snowflake does annoy me also, but I think a lot of people have varying meanings for it and it can be used in lots of different contexts.
You make a lot of sense, that's rare on Mumsnet I think, so you can have a badge for that 😆😉

Ok, that’s fine, but to me either it’s acceptable to make sweeping generalisations based on age or it isn’t.

does it not rather depend upon the generalisation in question?

ie younger people tend to be more adept with technology than older people

versus

younger people tend to be lazy and entitled

‘Tend to be’ is different to ‘are’.

And may be backed up by evidence.

Saying that a whole group of people ‘are’ xyz is a generalisation unless there is evidence.

And if it is a derogatory opinion about an entire group, and without evidence, it is prejudice. Potentially leading to discrimination .

“tends to be”

is very much the language of a generalisation 😐

I received the reply from mumsnet once that we'll all be old one day so it doesn't count. Strange logic. I guess disablism is OK too then as any of us could be disabled one day.

What a giveaway.

it depends on what the report to mumsnet had been

Hello everyone. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

This thread reflects a diverse range of opinions, and, much like in real life, achieving a consensus on what is acceptable may prove impossible. We feel it's important, therefore, to emphasise that Mumsnet is a discussion site, which thrives on hosting a broad spectrum of perspectives. Encountering views that sharply differ from your own or that you may find offensive is inevitable. Do remember you always have the option to either hide the thread or directly address it on the boards (we all have our unique and valuable insights after all). You can also report it to us if you think a post breaks our guidelines.

Our approach has always been to evaluate each report on its merits but in general we have a high bar for deletion when it comes to widely accepted and used language - for example, snowflakes, old biddies, etc. Lately, we've observed a trend where any post mentioning age or generational differences is reported with demands for removal - were we to adopt this approach we’d be deleting an awful lot of conversation... We’re also concerned that posters are being scared off by pile-ons about perceived ageism when they’re sorely in need of Mumsnetters’ advice and support. Perhaps the language they used was a little clumsy but we think it’s possible to gently point that out whilst not ignoring the substance of the post.

Moderating a site as big as Mumsnet is a challenging task and it is impossible to make decisions that keep everyone happy. We politely ask that you work with us to keep the Talk boards interesting and informative - all of us have benefited from the wisdom and kindness of MNers at some point - and accept that a sledgehammer approach to moderating this (or any issue) just doesn’t work.

a sledgehammer approach to moderating this (or any issue) just doesn’t work

I don't think any of us is asking for that though @BeckyAMumsnet. And clearly it would not be the right approach

But a bit more recognition that there are many ageist posts here (on the site generally, not on this thread!) that need to be dealt with would be nice - and a good start.

Lately, we've observed a trend where any post mentioning age or generational differences is reported with demands for removal

100%

One thing that I have realised at 62 is that 23 year old is still 'in your head' - certainly in my case- so whilst I am not able to do the same things I see why someone reacts as they do- at 23 someone of 62 felt just bloody old- but that 62 year old these days can often still be very youthful in spirit-

Not sure what point you are trying to make @spearthatbroc - both things I have said can be true. But whatever.

what happened to peace and love everyone ?

Calling yourself old is not always helpful.Older adult is fine.

Generational.digs don't help people or the planet

Yes but women couldn't buy houses alone until relatively recently.