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UPDATE FROM MNHQ - New OP view

211 replies

LilyMumsnet · 02/11/2023 10:34

Hi all,

We're currently testing a new topic page layout called ‘OP view’. You may have noticed it already if you've been on the Gardening topic page in the last month. The aim is to make it easier for users to understand what a thread is about.

Today, we're making ’OP view’ available on Property/DIY, Telly Addicts, The Doghouse, Food/Recipes, Housekeeping and Home decoration. This change will only be on mobile and desktop, OP view is currently not available in the apps.

From initial feedback, you told us that you'd like to be able to switch between OP and classic view. You'll still be able to do this by using the icon on the page, but now you can also choose a default view in your Talk settings.

We appreciate your feedback so feel free to add it to this thread.

OP posts:
HyggeTygge · 02/11/2023 13:16

MsFogi · 02/11/2023 12:31

Sorry @MNHQ it is shit - it feels like Facebook having to scroll through pages to just see 10 threads. On the upside, if you roll it out across the site I may be able to break my MN addiction and get off the site and get my time back (in the same way I have left FB).

I agree with this, it's far more padding, less concentrated MN threads which is what we're all here for! I use Facebook far less because of this and MN would become far less appealing.

PuppyMonkey · 02/11/2023 13:22

Thank God I only really peruse Active to look through threads. You’re not going to have all that opening new tabs nonsense on Active are you @LilyMumsnet

No idea who you’ve been talking to about users liking to click back on an unchanged list of threads but they sound like numpties. Grin

PuppyMonkey · 02/11/2023 13:24

Plus they’ll have so many tabs open they probably won’t be able to work out which one was the original tab with the original unchanged list anyway.

margotrose · 02/11/2023 13:27

It's horrible.

Seeline · 02/11/2023 13:38

BoreOfWhabylon · 02/11/2023 13:08

It's awful on ipad safari. Far too much scrolling and big blank spaces.
Please revert.
What would be useful would be to be able to see who had started a thread, as we used to be able to, without having to open the thread.

Oh yes - please bring that back! Who started a thread and when was so much more useful!

TheAnswerIsCake · 02/11/2023 13:47

I absolutely hate this change. I have nothing more to say than that.

TheMidnightLibrary · 02/11/2023 14:36

Hate it

almondseagull · 02/11/2023 16:14

NotLactoseFree · 02/11/2023 11:16

It opens in a new window when I click on a thread? Extremely annoying. I could land up with loads of MN tabs.

no fucking way!!

jesus christ!! NO!!!!!

UpsyDaisyMegaphone · 02/11/2023 16:25

BirthdayFlower · 02/11/2023 11:36

I like it but it would be better if images weren't included.

This

BertieBotts · 02/11/2023 16:31

It looks like the new Reddit style, which is based on easier visibility of picture posts and link previews, which is why it's set out like Facebook. Most of their popular/most used subreddits and the porn ones are mainly pictures and links. (Like PPs I have disabled this because I mainly browse text based subreddits, and it looks weird with that selection of content).

I don't get why you would want that on MN which is predominantly text based. Are you wanting to encourage people to post more images and links? Is that why you've picked those specific topics, as being most likely to attract people to put links or pictures in an OP?

It looks messy as most threads are text based. And it looks especially strange on a widescreen desktop because there's this huge grey space all at the sides and then a tiny feed in the middle with massive text that takes up all the space within that feed column!

It looks daft everywhere (ie, not just this new view) with the tiny, nonstretching column feed and massive grey space on most of the threads TBH but I can at least understand why this is in place (continuity with mobile) and it works well enough because you can still fit a decent amount of text on the screen to read.

I know that you need to increase your revenue/user engagement but I wish that brands wouldn't do this - rather than going "What do we do? What makes us special and unique and different and makes users choose us over other brands?" and then do more of that/make that better, it's like you've gone "Oh look loads of people use Facebook and Reddit, what can we do to be more like them?"

The thing is if MN becomes facebook-or-reddit-lite then I'd just stop using it because those sites do it better and probably will continue to be ten steps ahead forever. I come to MN because it is not those places and offers something different.

dillite · 02/11/2023 17:08

Oh, it's a new layout and not my telly addicts being broken. It is absolutely awful on my android- makes the topic impossible to use as all I am doing is scrolling. Each thread is huge too. Please change it back!

daisychain01 · 02/11/2023 17:21

Hedgesgalore · 02/11/2023 11:11

I've stopped going into the gardening section because of the new layout 😥

@Hedgesgalore aww no need to go away, I think you can revert to the Gardening thread conventional view if you want - that's what I have done, but it obviously depends which device you're using. I'm on an iPad .

EversoDisorganised · 02/11/2023 17:41

It’s not too bad on desktop (which is how I use MN on an ipad) but no real benefit either. But it’s useless on my phone (safari on iphone) for all the reasons others have said. I don’t want lots of tabs opening either, I’m happy for the list to have updated when I go back to it (I virtually never go to to topic lists anyway, mostly just use Active and TIO). Please don’t roll it out to Most Active.

I don’t use the app because it’s shit and the mobile version is pretty good and I’m just used to it having been on here longer than the app has existed. But I do think you ought to be focussing on the app more, it is how people expect to access things now.

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 02/11/2023 17:48

I’m not particularly keen. That’s polite for ‘its shite’

Don’t want a new tab.

are you trying to drive your users away?

EversoDisorganised · 02/11/2023 17:52

Also, as someone said upthread, there are already far too many of those really annoying thread titles that go something like “what do we think about…..”, this will only encourage them.

CesareBorgia · 02/11/2023 17:57

@LilyMumsnet I quite like the option to toggle, thanks.

MsFogi · 02/11/2023 18:03

@mnhq I'm still thinking about how rubbish this is - MN is pretty text based and in many ways that is its USP, if you move away from that to what is more of a scrolling/pictures experience I suspect that you will lose many of us who stick around here because we can't be arsed with instagram and the like (if you are going to force us to move in that direction we may as well move over to insta).

Rummikub · 02/11/2023 18:12

I don’t like it either. I use mobile site on safari on iPhone.

I looked at tv addicts and I have to do much more scrolling to see which threads to read.

it’s faster / more efficient to have the compact view to check out the titles

BertieBotts · 02/11/2023 18:12

LilyMumsnet · 02/11/2023 13:00

We've set the threads to open in a new tab because we know that users like to have control over the threads displayed on a topic homepage. That is, we know users like to click on a thread, read the thread and then press back on their browser to find an unchanged list of threads on the topic homepage - ie the list will not have updated with the most recently updated threads, until the user refreshes the page.

Whilst we're able to keep the topic homepage static on the classic view when the user presses "back" on their browser, it's A LOT more complex to do this on the new "OP view" because of the way the page is built. Therefore, we decided to make threads open in a new tab to get round this issue. We know it's not ideal for everyone - but it does mean that the original topic homepage list of threads stays static until the user is ready to refresh it.

We are looking into other solutions to solve this problem though. The feedback is very helpful, thank you.

Well firstly - this isn't a huge issue on topic pages, is it? What topic page apart from maybe AIBU has so many fast moving topics that folks are bothered about the page staying static when they go back to it?

I agree that it's annoying when you're on Active, click into a thread and then try to go back to Active and the list has updated.

But to further my point about this being an annoying thing copied from more "social media-y" type sites, rather than a forum feature, isn't this constantly refreshing display ALSO the point, aka a feature, not a bug, of the social media feed, rather than a conversation LIST?

It seems to me these are simply different things.

Social media site centred around mainly images and links with some text posts = lots of change, users typically want lots of new things to see, not the same old things again and again (I don't, personally, want this, but appreciate that in general people find it engaging, and if you're aiming for mostly images that people can consume without engaging deeper then it DOES make sense to have a constantly refreshing list). Honestly, not what I come to MN for.

Whereas forum = organised (ish) space for discussion, predominantly text based and subject and/or time organised, so the list is supposed to stay static. Typical user behaviour is to scan down the list of titles for something interesting, earmark 3-4 and then pick one of these, click through to it, engage with the thread if they want to, then return to the list with the intention of finding the next one that they had earmarked and open that, in the process perhaps noticing another 1-2 threads, and repeat.

To me, MN is a discussion forum, not an image and link based sharing site. And the major problem I see with going in this direction is that if you want this kind of thing then you need pages that are going to churn out loads and loads of content so that people can "follow" them so that their constantly-refreshing feed makes sense and doesn't run out of content. But well firstly who even wants that on MN, surely the point is that you interact with real people, not a load of vacuous influencers building a brand, and secondly who is going to make a profile for people to follow them on MN when they can already do that on various larger, more international, more popular websites like tiktok, facebook, instagram, tumblr, X etc.

I know that discussion forums are considered old fashioned, but I like them. And more to the point, so do most people here, or we wouldn't be here in the first place!

Whinge · 02/11/2023 18:16

@LilyMumsnet

Do you listen to user feedback? It's clear the vast majority of users don't like this change, so why not accept this is a mistake and revert back to the old version?

I know you can toggle this new feature on / off but many users still have no idea the edit / quote exist, let alone where to look to disable this new feature.

HauntedGusset · 02/11/2023 18:26

It's horrible and I'm glad I have already worked out how to turn it off!

When will you implement anything people have actually asked for, like replacing the pointless "reply" button under every post with the "quote" one??

Dontcallmescarface · 02/11/2023 18:52

Oh goody, something else that nobody asked for, but MNHQ insists it's something we want.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 02/11/2023 19:21

Awful
Just awful
So given previous experience it'll be here to stay

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/11/2023 19:25

HauntedGusset · 02/11/2023 18:26

It's horrible and I'm glad I have already worked out how to turn it off!

When will you implement anything people have actually asked for, like replacing the pointless "reply" button under every post with the "quote" one??

Seconded.

Twiglets1 · 02/11/2023 19:58

I don't like it - sorry!

I agree with a PP that if people have sensible titles, it's easy to know if they are worth clicking on or not

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