To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

And slowly it emerges.

Did you bother to research the dangers of chest binding?

Inciting hate and violence like punch a terf?

Can you be more explicit on what women have actually done?

other than say no to males in sports etc

Ok

So, say that your child goes on to identify as a man and commits a crime, which prison should they be sent to?

I know you’ll either ignore this or give a disingenuous answer along the lines of “My child would never commit a crime” but
you need to think long term impacts of this. How this is likely to impact others. Because some trans men DO commit crimes and you’d potentially be advocating for them to be sent to men’s prisons.

The other side have said they want to retain their spaces based on sex, and that men cannot become women.

How HATEFUL!

If as you say you have a 14 year old with a chest binder then why are you on here attacking posters? This is one of the few places on the internet you'll find rational, intelligent debate and advice.

And find me one post on this entire site that is hateful towards your child.

The idea that humans can change sex is magical thinking but unfortunately very popular right now among some. I wouldn't be a fourteen year old girl again for anything and I'm sure if this had been around when I was I might well have been caught up in it.

Most kids will grow out of this. You just have to hope they don't take life-changing hormones or cut off healthy body parts before that happens.

But in the meantime, Mumsnet is not the enemy.

I have some sympathy with you.
Helen Joyce talks about the way this movement is continued by parents with a trans child.
It’s very hard to accept that something is dangerous and harmful when, like Susie Green for example, you have advocated for practices that can lead to long term, life changing consequences. People in these situations will, understandably, defend their choices to the death.
Unfortunately this has wider consequences when any reasonable discussion is shut down because it might hurt someone’s feelings (an example HJ gave was a journalist with a trans child, which led to the whole organisation not reporting g in any trans issues).

i definitely can't speak for all Trans folk, and i'm sure there are those who want to cause issues, however, the Transmen and women i know just want the option for different language in reference to them personally, most of my friends actually also dislike those erasive idiots and wish they'd shut up.

They have no issue in my using the language we've always used about myself or other women, and really aren't offended by it. They're just asking for their own preferences on language when people, especially medical professionals are talking about them.

I don't think that is an unreasonable request, but then i also respect people's pronouns.

Having never been trans or dysphoric about my sex/gender, i can't understand what they're thinking, but i have seen my friends who edge into being non-binary struggle with the current modern toxic femininity and masculinity, and i think that is quite often at the root cause of some of this.

Are you calling me a lazy sahm?
Are you calling sahms lazy?

This, it's almost a pandemic now. For such a small minority to have so much power to invade women's spaces is wrong. I noticed this morning in the news, a transgender person won Miss Holland. To suggest this man dressed as a female is a better female than half the population of Holland is totally nuts.

Joanna Cherry is in court today giving evidence about death threats she has received but, yeah, it's the folk who say that women don't have penises who "hate".

Tbh, the more i see from transphobic women on here, the more i wish i could distance myself from that image of what being a woman is, it bothers me intensely that i have to share a gender with that level of hate and vitriol.. makes me want to dump 'she/her' and opt for they/them just to let my trans friends know i'm NOT one of those hateful people... and i'm not the only one who feels that way.

@DaisyUpsy I think you have a long and painful road ahead of you, and your daughter. I'm sad she and you are caught up in all this madness

Go ahead then

I am sorry to hear that, I hope you manage to get your dd through the next ten years of growing up without her being mutilated by surgery or having her future health, fertility and well being destroyed by irreversible drugs.

However, I can’t understand why you don’t see the relationship between your daughters situation and the trans agenda that is being pushed onto young kids , and finding it “boring”. Use your voice to challenge and refute misinformation on both sides so that people like your daughter hear truth rather than deliberate misinformation and lies, so that whatever she decides in the future is based on reality, not someone else’s online fantasy linked into her own insecurities.

Please point to something , some statement which is transphobic?

According to mumsnet some are and apparently mumsnet is the orcale of truth

😂😂

And I’d agree with that, however (for example), do I think displays of nipple fetishes are a clear sign that breast fed babies are being abused? No, because I’m not prepared to label every breast feeding mother who has derived sexual pleasure from their nipples in separate relationships from their babies as abusers too which is the logical conclusion.

That doesn’t mean I’m supportive or condoning of males (including trans) inducing breast feeding but the recent rhetoric around this particular example is also reducing women’s sexual status and freedoms by trying to label it as clear link to the abusive nature of trans females being perverts.

I’ve already been ‘told’ on this site that I can’t be GC (fine by me) because I won’t bow down to every single outrage that is put forth for frothing purposes. Examples like the above put obstacles between women supporting GC as a philosophy with room for compromise and debate from the starting point of biological fact.

younger people are less anti trans than older people (mainly women)

(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5770087/)

This is a study based on how much "internalised transnegativity" trans people have? It's also a convenience sample recruited via self interested participants on the internet, and American.

All polling in the U.K. shows that people are happy to live and let to a point, but where there are more weighty considerations they demonstrate that they don't actually believe it's possible to change sex. They also support access to female spaces only on the basis of surgery to remove male genitalia.

PhantomUnicorn I think it's fairly well established at this point that MN is a place that tolerates gender critical beliefs. You have many many other places to hang out online that don't. So go to them. In the same way that i don't follow TRAs online, because they personally annoy me. Protect yourself if it bothers you. It's not hard!

Im not sad. My child is awesome and we will be just fine, thanks.

What transphobic comments have you seen? Did you report them?

Crack on with the pronouns.

@PhantomUnicorn why don't you just use unicorn pronouns instead?

How do you feel about the threats and violence from males against women?

This actually demonstrates the black and white thinking and lack of nuance.
I have an issue with aspects of both trans ideology and gender critical ideology. It isn't either or. There is a middle ground