To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

You’re not the only one. Sadly they infiltrate other threads even when totally irrelevant.
sometimes it feels like a daily mail fanatics forum.

This sounds nonsensical

Wanting single sex provision is not panic

Over whom a man could marry.

Women aren't a homogenous group.

No, but most women still don't support legal gender self ID, males competing in female sport categories or intact male people in women only spaces. And though support is higher, that holds for young people too.

Over whom a man could marry.

@QueenCoconut sounds like you don't understand the issues.

Interestingly, part of the Denton's Document was the advice to piggyback on other less contraversial issues.

Worked so well that still people who have bleeding hearts haven't even noticed.

Especially the political ones. They’re the Tories’ not so secret weapon because “At least they know what a woman is”, even though all they seem to do is sexually assault us.

Is this all you can say, women’s rights reduced to insults and slogans

Worked so well that still people who have bleeding hearts haven't even noticed.

Bleeding hearts are surprisingly dry for women and girls who want single sex spaces and being female to be respected.

"Feminists" going along with abusive male transactivists that female rape survivors who don't want counselling with "trans women" should be "educated".

I actually work in pay. Not believing men are women and getting involved in a government consultation on amendments to the Gender Recognition Act and other legislation and legal cases has not been a detriment to that.

I'm not seeing trans "hate" - what I am seeing is people increasingly worried about vulnerable women and children being placed at risk by trans extremism, and standing against it.

I'm pretty bored with people claiming they can change sex, though.

Trans women are women.

In the UK and with a GRC they've even got a birth certificate to prove it.

I genuinely struggle to see what real world harm to natal women that presents.

I also think that deliberate referring to people in ways that they don't like isn't particularly helpful in having a sensitive discussion with a view to fixing things but you don't need my approval to speak you wish.

I think that deliberately forcing people to refer to me in ways they don't like is pretty unhelpful too.

I think that forcing people to pretend that they share a protected characteristic when they actually are of the oppressor class is fucking incendiary.

Especially the political ones. They’re the Tories’ not so secret weapon because “At least they know what a woman is”, even though all they seem to do is sexually assault us.

Tories do? Plenty of men in Labour, Lib Dems, Greens are the same. It's a man thing, not a political thing. I don't believe Tories are more likely to be rapists than left wing men, that's just ideology.

@Bromptotoo is it really that hard? Heard of Lia Thomas?

Yes yes yes, I been on Mumsnet almost two decades but find this aspect very annoying of late.

Trans women are women.

Thanks for the mantra, I wouldn't know what to think without it!

*Are you in the UK?

If you are I've news for you. We've had a Gender Recognition Act since 2004 and trans people were around long before that. The GRA was passed after we were dragged kicking and screaming to the Human Rights Court over whom a trans woman could marry.

IMHO all this hate, both ways, is largely rooted in the US*

This is untrue and can be easily proven. The pushback against the unrealistic demands of gender ideology began in the UK. And do you know why? Because the UK has the Equality Act that clearly defines woman as an adult human female, recognises the difference between gender reassignment and sex and clearly, with examples, gives women the opportunity to have services, facilities and sports segregated on sex. As far as I know the ONLY country that has this in law and the ONLY country that people who do not uphold this law can be legally challenged. As has been demonstrated time and time again.

Other countries just fuck women over, quietly redefine sex to be gender and then tell women there is no legal way to exclude male people who are legally a woman, from female facilities because that would be discrimination. But it is still ok to exclude male people,who are legally men.

This is why Stonewall and the transactivists are so up in arms because of the petition to the government to clarify if sex in the EA meant biological or legally registered sex. They don't want clarity, because they use the unclarity to to bully organisation to not use them.

But that is the whole issue, those of us who believe that it's impossible to change sex don't believe TWAW. No one changes biological sex, and legislation doesn't make that possible. It just creates other issues. Lots of pieces of legislation do exactly that; in trying to resolve one issue, other issues are created.

Why do you think that is? Is it because women's rights are being eroded and some people actually care enough to discuss it?

I genuinely struggle to see what real world harm to natal women that presents.

A large number of real world harms to women have been discussed. Happy to discuss any specific example, you pick one.

Why wouldn’t women talk about this more? Things have changed over the last two decades

If they were women what exactly was the court case about?

*Trans women are women.

In the UK and with a GRC they've even got a birth certificate to prove it.

I genuinely struggle to see what real world harm to natal women that presents.*

Except they're not. No matter a certificate says.

Go on, have a go... I'll give you hints to start you off... whispers.. prisons, rape crisis centres, vulnerable women's hostels, sport...