To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

Please don't tell me how to feel about my sex.

And #Don'tHijackMyHysterectomy.

https://www.grcworldforums.com/judges/pips-bunce/7788.article

I think this is quite extreme actually.

Again I never said that. You have assumed it.

Why did you use "deliberately referring to people in ways they don't like"? It's not "deliberate" I just don't believe in their, and your ideology, it's totally bizarre to me that I'm expected to call men "she".

This rounds back nicely to everything I’ve said about not validating disordered thinking.

This ideology is full of unhappy people who believe the world is out to get them, and everyone hates them (Mermaids has also compounded this view to children and their families). Honestly if the whole trans thing was dropped and everyone accepted gender non conformity (which is what being trans basically is) then everyone would be so much happier.
No one has the right to dictate how others see them, but at the same time this group of people has been told that the world must see them as they wish to be seen or it’s bigotry and hatred. So many young people being set up for unfulfilling and miserable lives.

I have discussed race on here and I am not willing to put myself in that position again because racists statements tend to go unchallenged. Imagine being in a room full of men with them piling onto you about sexism trying to catch you about when talking about traumatic experiences. I hope you can understand why I don't want to do taht again.

My point is that if you don't know any of type of person it is easy to fall into the trap of believing untrue stereotypes. I think it is dangerous for anyone to assume that they are immune to this.

Hatefulness. Hmm, I only see it coming one way: https://twitter.com/unpopulargenz/status/1677790606561628160

I'm so bored of trans too. I want it to be like it was a decade ago, sex is sex, factual and legally defined. And your private identity and feelings your own business and no-one else's.

It's worth pointing out that WE (feminists, MNers, boring old vagina women) didn't start the fire. The pronoun demanders, pharma giants and queer theorists did. Let them put it out.

Im not. Im just calling you out on an irrelevant statement.

No it isn’t.
the “debate” on MN is though.

Very good point :) Fear of people bolstered by right wing talking points and lack of interaction with said groups of people = hate and fear.

I'm so bored of trans too. I want it to be like it was a decade ago, sex is sex, factual and legally defined. And your private identity and feelings your own business and no-one else's.

It's worth pointing out that WE (feminists, MNers, boring old vagina women) didn't start the fire. The pronoun demanders, pharma giants and queer theorists did. Let them put it out.

Well said, perfectly put.

Where I work we have 7 trans teenagers. I’m sorry, but no.

So very very Mumsnet! What would DH say? Grim

Im not. Im just calling you out on an irrelevant statement.

A statement about real prejudice used to bolster up a flimsy argument about something much less convincing. This issue is rarely argued on its own merits, there is usually a spurious analogy involved.

This is just undermining women’s views

Are you in the UK?

If you are I've news for you. We've had a Gender Recognition Act since 2004 and trans people were around long before that. The GRA was passed after we were dragged kicking and screaming to the Human Rights Court over whom a trans woman could marry.

IMHO all this hate, both ways, is largely rooted in the US.

I would respectfully suggest that you don't understand all the issue.

YABU. Imo believing people can change sex, and thinking that the rest of the world should be compelled to pretend people can change sex, is inherently extremist. As is the claim that believing that biological sex is real and that gender is based on a bunch of stereotypes means that you hate or deny the existence of trans people. Trans people absolutely exist, and I don't hate them.

My point is, females being physically vulnerable to males is not an unfair stereotype. It’s statistically, biologically and unquestionably true.

Ooh lovely diminishing of women and their rights there @QueenCoconut Let the men dominate. It's their right after all. Isn't it?? And it's a woman's place to submit.

If you are I've news for you. We've had a Gender Recognition Act since 2004 and trans people were around long before that. The GRA was passed after we were dragged kicking and screaming to the Human Rights Court over whom a trans woman could marry.

Yes, this group of males got same sex marriage a decade before other gay males.

How do you propose we protect and bolster women’s rights when we have to include, Centre and prioritise the oppressive class?
How do we protect women in laws and policies if we cannot clearly define them?

I'm not sure why anyone would think that the existence of the gender recognition act is "news". I can't remember them asking women if they minded though.

Go out an meet actual trans people, I was socialising with a lovely bunch of them over the weekend. Extremely normal, non-extremist people who just happen to be trans.

I've met trans people. Some of them are nice and some aren't, just like non-trans people. That's really not the point. I've met lots of very nice men too. That doesn't alter how I feel about, for example, them being in women's single-sex spaces or competing in women's sports.

Defending women’s rights against the alarming attempted erosion we are witnessing is not hate.
If you cannot see the harm being done to women and girls in the name of gender ideology then you haven’t been paying attention.

YABVU

Women aren't a homogenous group.

Trans panic is split across age lines. Like Brexit. And using the word wokeism 😂