To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

Yeah, it's dire. People need to stay off Twitter, they're winding themselves up over Extremely Online opinions. Go out an meet actual trans people, I was socialising with a lovely bunch of them over the weekend. Extremely normal, non-extremist people who just happen to be trans. Living quiet lives.

Well in general I would't know would I? Just like I don't know if any of my colleagues are sexual attackers. In fact I don't know that you aren't one.

I tend to assume that people I come across aren't unless I have reason to suspect otherwise.

Are you struggling with the idea that I am not black and white on the issue in the way that you are?

I'm not actually struggling with anything. I'm perfectly clear on my view and why I hold it, and don't consider your "nuanced" and less coherent position, superior to mine.

I was socialising with a lovely bunch of them over the weekend

At Trans Pride?

Maybe due to pp where you stated not using pronouns was fanning the flames and polarising the debate

It’s not, it’s just women prioritising their own views over males, which is perfectly acceptable

Especially since it’s based on biological facts

So if a trans woman is violent we are permitted to use “he” and stop them coming into women’s spaces?
And only well behaved trans women are women?
Is this really your criteria?

Again, how will this be applied? Will trans women who have ever shown a proclivity for violence be permanently banned from women’s spaces? How can this be policed?
Is it a life time ban?

Maybe due to pp where you stated not using pronouns was fanning the flames and polarising the debate

Indeed.

My boundaries are that I don’t believe a man can become a woman. Quite apart from the headfuck that preferred pronouns induce, I don’t want have to lie.
For my comfort I wouldn’t use preferred pronouns at all - am I allowed to retain my boundaries?

The same type of thinking has been used to stop black people having access to things. The press would report loads on black criminals and anti social behaviour and people who had never met one would assume we are all like that. To this day I meet people who are shocked by level of education and job because they just haven't met enough black people to get the stereotype out their head.

YABU. Women in Sussex don't even have the option of single sex rape crisis therapy anymore.

Mumsnet has been brilliant for bringing people together in support of women's rights.

@NewNameNigel

So we seem to have arrived back at the position where you want to use pronouns when you feel it's appropriate, and that's ok, and I don't ever want to use wrong sex pronouns, or be called "cis", but I accept I can't actually control the speech of others.

So that's ok too then, I guess.

So what you call them is dependent on their behaviour rather than what they consider themselves to be @NewNameNigel. That's interesting.

As I have stated many times I think it's up to you. I was asked about my own behaviour.

I also think that deliberate referring to people in ways that they don't like isn't particularly helpful in having a sensitive discussion with a view to fixing things but you don't need my approval to speak you wish.

I was socialising with a lovely bunch of them over the weekend. Extremely normal, non-extremist people who just happen to be trans. Living quiet lives.

I don’t doubt it. How do they feel that spokespeople for their communities are a bunch of violent misogynists?

I’d be fucking raging if I thought someone like Sarah Jane Barker was representing me.

Eh?

Its legal to discriminate by sex, its not legal to discriminate by race.

Why are you conflating the two? Its not the same.

I mean I have said that I don't think it is up to me what you say multiple times. The conversation carried on because you kept asking me questions. I wasn't quizzing you on your position or asking you to justify it. You were the one doing that.

Please don't tell me how to feel about my race.

I also think that deliberate referring to people in ways that they don't like

Now you seem to be "struggling", with the fact that women aren't doing it to be deliberately annoying or rude. We're doing it to be true to our own reality.

But this is only a fair comparison if you either believe that females are not disproportionately victims of male violence and are not vulnerable to males because of our inescapable biological differences, or you believe black people pose as big of a potential threat to white people as males do to females.

I don’t believe either of these statements.

Females are vulnerable to males.

White people are not biologically predisposed to be vulnerable to black people.

Again I never said that. You have assumed it.

That’s great. I live a nice quiet life too, I’m still asking for single sex provision for women and girls.

Why is that not ok?

Totally agree OP. It is so boring.
Arguing about a minor issue and blowing it up to the size of world’s biggest problem…

I mean I have said that I don't think it is up to me what you say multiple times.

You repeatedly scolded people for "not being helpful" in not conceding the pronoun issue. You fail to understand that it can be a tool of control.

https://www.grcworldforums.com/judges/pips-bunce/7788.article

Here you go. He changes identity on a day to day basis at work.

A discussion about this man being given a Woman in Finance award was part of Maya Forstaters employment tribunal case.

Referring to him as a cross dressing man was a reason her employer didn't renew her contract.

They lost the tribunal in the end.

Yeah women’s rights is just ssoooooo, like, boriiinngggg