To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

I haven’t seen your earlier post, but your list is typical of GC women’s beliefs.

Everyone has a right to live as they wish.
At the same time women have a right to the single sex spaces we worked hard for.

As it is rape shelters in Scotland (not sure about the rest of the UK) were threatened with defunding if they did not accept TW. This meant that every rape shelter in Scotland was mixed sex, which obviously denies access to many vulnerable women. JKR then funded a female only rape shelter in Edinburgh and received so many violent threats from TRAs - why do they have a problem with 1 shelter being women only if gender ideology isn’t all about validation?

Within the NHS there have been women denied care for asking for confirmation that they would be only treated by natal women because of past trauma. They were vilified for having been raped or abused in their past.

This ideology puts men first, every time.

What about people who don't do any of the things that you listed but also disagree with some of what you say? Not everyone who disagrees with you on some things is an extremist.

Challenging the damage this ideology causes isn't hate FGS

Interestingly TRAs don't spend their time challenging biological men on their misogyny . It's far easier to bully and intimidate (occasionally batter) a biological woman

Move On to where, exactly?

That's strange because I have been called a gender ideologue and incapable of critical thought for sharing these beliefs on this forum.

Fortunately, the younger generation recognise this GC nonsense for what it is

Believing in the importance of biological sex? Huge if true.

Im going to do my best to steelman the middle ground idea.

There's a subcategory of men, who pose no violent threat to women, who's mental health would be improved by society treating them as women. These men can assimilate into society as women by strick gatekeeping though diagnosis and only in situations where sex is irrelevant. That was the intention of the GRA?

The problem with that is we know there isnt a reliable diagnosis for men who genuinely want to be women and therapist cannot know who is a potential danger to women, so safeguard isnt a realistic option. Also, wanting to be a women doesnt mean anyone else sees you as a women. How can society treat men as women, when they are seen as men?

The reason conflict is happening is because the middle ground can never be mantained. If a mans mental health relies on everyone seeing him as a women, but we can only agree to that in certain situations, hes still going to be distressed in the times society excludes him from being a women. Thats why 'the rules' have changed. Its not a medical diagnosis anymore, we now have to believe sex is a spectrum or social construct, or that woman is nothing to do with sex and is an identity anyone can opt in and out of.

Either men can be women, or they can't. The middle ground where some men can be women sometimes is never going to be enough.

I've nothing against trans people, but it gets annoying when they try and convince me of a fantasy. I won't buy into it and never will.

Absolutely fed up with all the anti trans hate on this site. Early on it was all anti transwomen, now the haters have started on transmen and also are becoming ever more homophobic.

How on earth is mumsnet homophobic? Please explain?

Fortunately, the younger generation recognise this GC nonsense for what it is and it will eventually peter out. However, Mumsnet will lose out with no young people wanting to join.

I thought gender critical meant not conforming to gender stereotypes. If young people think it’s nonsense then that is a really retrograde step!

@NewNameNigel i can see why, as you seem happy to allow some men to share women’s spaces, which is not ok.
However, your call for evidence in sports and points 3 and 4 are definitely transphobic 😉

This.

But honestly it can become a drinking game the topics that 'trans concerns' will be shoe-horned into.

There could be a thread about what the weather is like and someone would come on with a 'but how can you define weather when you don't even know what a woman is?'

I’m not bored by the discourse and am extremely concerned that gender ideology may be taught to children without parents knowing, and that vulnerable children will be influenced by this and encouraged to make life altering changes to their bodies as a result. It is deeply worrying and not enough is being done to protect our children.

This is not an extreme response by me. I had asked to see my young primary school aged children’s pshe curriculum. The head wasn’t allowed to send it to me for copyright children but let me come into the school to read it. I identified a slide aimed at year 1 which basically states there are girl toys and boy toys, and if a girl likes a boy toy or vice versa, then they may not necessarily be a girl or a boy. I complained and the head agreed to remove the slide from the curriculum.

Most parents would not have bothered to visit the school to read the curriculum the way I did, but I plan to check it every year to make sure this ideology does not creep in. I would not have done this had I not been following the issue on mumsnet and I am very grateful to the posters here who have drawn attention to this issue, especially in relation to children and schools.

And let's not pretend that the thing you asked me to comment on here were picked at random. You picked issues from the more mainstream (for want of a better word) side of the views on this forum. There are others that are much more extreme that go unchallenged and could be described as "hateful" (although I would avoid using that word as I don't think it helps with sensible discussion.)

What's homophobic is persecuting the sole charity set up to speak for lesbian, gay and bisexual people who don't adhere to the idea that it's transphobic to be same sex attracted.

What anti trans hate?!!!!!! Can someone, anyone, post examples of anti trans hate.

YABVU

Can you list the extreme views?

I think anyone who is cool with anything in my post may not be an extremist but they definitely don't give a shit about the safety and dignity of women and girls and are happy for safeguarding to go out of the window.

If trans people want access to what has been fought for by women for women they need to campaign for their own spaces.

Anything else is forcing everyone else to support their fiction.

I'm not playing that game and my daughter shouldn't have to either.

When males cannot join female sports where do they compete?

In the male category?

Don't worry I have also been called a terf a bigot by TRAs as well.

Homophobic is a new one though.

Good post, Zut

Because this is often where discussions about transpeople takes place.

Is this address to me? I am not sure what point you are making about the post, could you clarify?

@NewNameNigel i picked issues that are the forefront of my concerns, which are mainly:
Transitioning vulnerable children
Allowing any man into women’s single sex spaces
The steady destruction of women’s spaces in general (eg lesbian groups, female health support groups, the changes to female language)

If they’re mainstream issues that’s because it’s worrying a lot of people.

This sums it up for me.