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To be bored of the trans hate?

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DaisyUpsy · 10/07/2023 09:54

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

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PhantomUnicorn · 10/07/2023 11:20

zerofuchsgivenTBH · 10/07/2023 11:11

PhantomUnicorn I think it's fairly well established at this point that MN is a place that tolerates gender critical beliefs. You have many many other places to hang out online that don't. So go to them. In the same way that i don't follow TRAs online, because they personally annoy me. Protect yourself if it bothers you. It's not hard!

No thanks.

I've been here for nearly 17 years, i will just continue to ignore the transphobic bullshit like i always have.

I don't need to be told to go elsewhere when i've been here longer than most of you popping in here to froth.

NotTerfNorCis · 10/07/2023 11:20

It's not hate against trans people. It's concern about a pseudo religious ideology that has exploded onto the scene in recent years.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 10/07/2023 11:21

@PhantomUnicorn what transphobic bullshit?

The day someone actually answers this I'll probably turn into a man.

WomblingTree86 · 10/07/2023 11:22

Marchintospring · 10/07/2023 11:13

Yep 100% . In real life trans rights are barely affecting anyone apart from trans . People just live drama and use it to feed their bigotry

Thats not true. I expect most people have had an encounter with trans rights now. From pronouns at work, public sector, anyone that shopped at Tesco during Pride week, the news. The affect depends on how much you’re out and about in the wider community but certainly you aren’t allowed to say “men can’t be women” anymore. I would say that absolutely affects everyone.

When Rocky Horror, Lily Savage, Eddie Izzard or Grayson Perry were first on TV you could still say they were men. Lots of positive programmes about what they got out of gender non conformity. No hate from the women. So what’s changed….?
Clue - they started to confuse gender with sex.

Whether or not it's true, I'm not sure that not being able to say “men can’t be women” is having a huge impact on most peoples lives.

HermioneWeasley · 10/07/2023 11:23

If you see any transphobia you should report it.

in the meantime, women wanting to protect their existing rights under the Equality Act is neither transphobia nor hate.

loislovesstewie · 10/07/2023 11:23

And can we also remember that university students, who are after all supposed to be the elite in terms of education, routinely try to no platform those who disagree with their agenda, namely the whole TWAW thing. No debate for them, just angry faces and placard waving.

whereaw · 10/07/2023 11:24

@AccidentallyWesAnderson I think it's because by saying a man can in fact not become a woman is akin in to denying their existence, which is NO DIFFERENT to a holocaust of trans people.

MouseSculptureMadeOfOldHairbrushFluff · 10/07/2023 11:24

Cornettoninja · 10/07/2023 09:59

Extremists at both ends bore me at this point.

This is a relatively new social phenomenon (at least the visibility of it and the medical options available). It’s being reduced to ‘you’re the baddie’, ‘I know you are, what am I?’ when actually we need balanced voices in the debate over emotive ones.

I definitely lean more towards what GC is defined as but like buggery would I associate myself with them. Utterly blinkered and absent of any grey areas. As are the trans activists.

This is where I'm at too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2023 11:25

I've been here for nearly 17 years, i will just continue to ignore the transphobic bullshit like i always have.

So on the one hand you can't bear being a woman, in case you get associated with awful disobedient women who say no to entitled male demands, so much that you want to change your pronouns to pretend that you don't share your sex with us, and on the other you're just happy to ignore what those women write?

Cool. One course of action sounds more sensible than the other.

PhantomUnicorn · 10/07/2023 11:26

IAmSalmaFuckingHayek · 10/07/2023 11:16

Having never been trans or dysphoric about my sex/gender, i can't understand what they're thinking

Having been dysphoric as an autistic teen, but luckily I’m more enlightened times that didn’t have such strict gender stereotypes, I can understand.

No one would advocate for a change in health care for anorexics or schizophrenics to fully validate what they are saying, so why on Earth are doing this with dysphoric teenagers?

Any health care should be rooted in science, not science fiction.

Every single story about a trans child starts with gender stereotypes that the child is uncomfortable with. The trans child I know personally was not allowed to have her hair cut short or wear jeans and t shirts until she announced she was a boy. Her school completely let her down by ignoring safeguarding red flags, because “he” (a 12 yr old child) “ is exploring his sexuality” (this was advice from camhs when school were unsure what to do, because normal safeguards fly out of the window when it comes to anything trans!).

All children should express themselves freely. You don’t have to be a boy to have short hair or play football, but this is where we are now. Extremism in gender stereotypes.

yep, and that is the message that i reinforce with my own kids. I'm not exactly gender-conforming myself, but i am also very much not-trans and comfortable in my sex while dressing/presenting how i like.

I think that is sometimes where our downfall is in modern society, this need to define things/looks/fashions as male or female , masculine/feminine, kids should be encouraged to explore their presentation/personality and fashion sense without it being couched in terms of their sex/gender presentation.

Once they're adults, if its something they then want to look into, then its up to them to be allowed to explore that.

What i really, really dislike, is parents who hear that their child is struggling and rather than support that exploration of fashion/outward appearance, they instead try to reinforce the masc/femme stereotypes around clothing/hair/hobbies.

readbooksdrinktea · 10/07/2023 11:27

Jerabilis · 10/07/2023 10:00

I wish I was in a privileged enough position to be bored of the hatred too many men have towards women.

Quite. That would be nice.

GCSister · 10/07/2023 11:27

I'm not sure that not being able to say “men can’t be women” is having a huge impact on most peoples lives.
If I said this publicly I'd probably lose my job so it round have a huge impact on my life.

Meeting · 10/07/2023 11:29

NewNameNigel · 10/07/2023 11:12

This actually demonstrates the black and white thinking and lack of nuance.
I have an issue with aspects of both trans ideology and gender critical ideology. It isn't either or. There is a middle ground

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There is no middle ground, there can never be.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2023 11:29

The freedom to speak the truth affects everyone. It might even be going your way (hypothetical you) at the moment, but look at history to see how these things change.

Blossomtoes · 10/07/2023 11:30

Meeting · 10/07/2023 11:29

There is no middle ground, there can never be.

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There could be if the extremists on both sides would allow there to be.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 10/07/2023 11:30

I mean, yeah, I don't like hate either. But it's not me, or other feminists, who are calling for TERFs to be punched in the face by a convicted kidnapper who was given a platform by Labour.

@DaisyUpsy if you can give me some examples of what you're seeing that would constitute 'ridiculous statements' I'd be interested.

@Seeitsayitsalted you don't think a male, who is taking enough drugs to float a barge, shouldn't be sticking his nipple in a baby's mouth? Women get lambasted from all sides if they dare have a proper coffee when breastfeeding but pump yourself full of drugs and then feed your nipple excretions to a child and it's all fine and dandy? Who is actually benefiting here?

HermioneKipper · 10/07/2023 11:30

Wake up.

women and girls rights are being eroded and you’re happy to stand idly by and actually denounce anyone speaking out about it

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2023 11:31

There could be if the extremists on both sides would allow there to be.

What do you see it as?

GrinAndVomit · 10/07/2023 11:31

Blossomtoes · 10/07/2023 11:30

There could be if the extremists on both sides would allow there to be.

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So tell us

How would this middle ground look in terms of:

  1. prisons
  2. sports
  3. women’s refuges and rape crisis support
  4. scholarships and prizes
  5. intimate care
Meeting · 10/07/2023 11:32

Blossomtoes · 10/07/2023 11:30

There could be if the extremists on both sides would allow there to be.

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What rights are you willing to give up then?

StefanosHill · 10/07/2023 11:32

Cornettoninja · 10/07/2023 09:59

Extremists at both ends bore me at this point.

This is a relatively new social phenomenon (at least the visibility of it and the medical options available). It’s being reduced to ‘you’re the baddie’, ‘I know you are, what am I?’ when actually we need balanced voices in the debate over emotive ones.

I definitely lean more towards what GC is defined as but like buggery would I associate myself with them. Utterly blinkered and absent of any grey areas. As are the trans activists.

You don’t need to associate with anyone although I don’t get the repellence from women speaking and seeing that as comparable to male violence.

I don’t get this middle ground though, how does it work in practise?

Blossomtoes · 10/07/2023 11:32

Meeting · 10/07/2023 11:32

What rights are you willing to give up then?

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None, I’m willing to share though.

WandaWomblesaurus · 10/07/2023 11:33

VladsPants · 10/07/2023 09:56

YABVU.

If you’re not angry, you’re not paying attention.

This.

VestaTilley · 10/07/2023 11:33

YABU. It’s a misogynistic cult and it needs to be far more of a political priority than it currently is.

StefanosHill · 10/07/2023 11:33

GrinAndVomit · 10/07/2023 11:31

So tell us

How would this middle ground look in terms of:

  1. prisons
  2. sports
  3. women’s refuges and rape crisis support
  4. scholarships and prizes
  5. intimate care
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If a middle ground poster could answer this that’d be good

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