MN needs a closer watch of FWR

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There is a concerning growth of posts with racist undertones cropping up on these boards, all under the guise of being proudly 'anti-woke'.

Apparently diversity is 'woke' and worthy of derision.

This is the thread I'm referring to here.

Disney went woke now they're going broke www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4836570-disney-went-woke-now-theyre-going-broke

Mumsnet needs to looks at why that board draws such types of posts, and why posters feel so comfortable openly airing their racism.

YOU ignored them by not bothering to read the examples linked for your perusal and claimed there was no evidence of racism on the OP’s example.

I did not ignore because I looked, I saw, and I agreed with the OP.

@Ereshkigalangcleg and then you engaged in denial and accusations of smearing….

More from the OP’s example thread- that apparently very few bothered to even read before deciding there was no racism to see.

Do you see it now? now that I’ve done the heavy lifting for you?

Parks are a huge part of Disney’s income, plus nobody wants to go and have gender woo, pride merch and BLM shoved in their faces.

Disney has decided to remake it with Rachel Zegler who definitely does not have skin white as snow…. she isn't Snow White & they aren't lightening her skin to make her look like she is.

you probably shouldn't cast a olive skinned woman in the character famously known for being very pale with red lips and black hair.

I wasn't initially pro a black mermaid playing the role of a traditionally Danish Tale. I think since Black Lives Matter, Disney was stuck. They wanted to keep the original soundtracks but it's hard to justify a black carribbean influenced music score without appropriate representation.

And to some extent it's also being used to generate interest - let's cast a "diverse" actress in such and such a role and maybe create some media chatter about our shit film.

People can tell the difference between The Princess and the Frog where the prince happens to be non-White and The Little Mermaid where someone set out to say "I don't want her to be White". The first is an act of acceptance. The latter an act of aggression. Always accompanied by "if it matters to you, you're a bigot". I don't think you have to be a bigot to dislike an agenda pushed on you or to resent being targetted. And to be clear, it is targetted.

Every time an ethnic woman says that something is racially problematic or racist, white women on these threads claim to be the victims. Cue pile on derision, deliberately misconstruing and general whatabouttery. Its all over this thread. Anyone with a shred of decency would be ashamed.

That is absolutely what has happened here on this thread. Without question.

@Helleofabore

No. I used google / images to find the screen shot of the original. And while I was there I remembered that extreme activist had posted their screenshot and went on twitter and found it. Carabello was deep into the issue with the Libsoftiktok. I don't follow or read Libsoftiktok, I have little idea outside of this issue. But I do remember this issue because the accusations seemed so bizarre.

So you don't know anything about it, but had no trouble taking me to task about it? Libsoftiktok has a known following of over a million and a casual readers likely much more. Every time she targets an institution or group of people, they are likely to receive threats from some of those followers. Is this so difficult to imagine? The hospital in question received bomb threats and individual staff received death threats.

Did you challenge those comments on the thread in question? Did other people? Did you report those posts? Or do you expect the people on this thread to do that for you, now you’ve pointed them out? Doesn’t seem like a thread I’d enjoy, from your examples.

I can only assume you didn't read the article fully. It did happen to be reprinted on an Australian site, but it is a European source. In particular, it quotes a study by a Swedish professor (below):

"While some anti-LGBTQ false claims shared on social media in Europe in June first appeared in the United States, others originated in Russia.
AFP fact-checkers found that the video claiming to show Polish public television reporting that the country's army would open "LGBT units" was first shared on Russian propaganda channels in January.
"Russia and the US far-right are playing the same tune," Jakob Svensson, a professor of media and communication science at Malmo University, told AFP.
Svensson's research highlights a synergy between global actors framing progressive laws or the simple visibility of the LGBTQ community as an attack on "traditional values".

www.news.com.au/breaking-news/surge-in-antilgbtq-disinformation-targets-pride-in-europe/news-story/87f43e734a56c4966a9137ca81364c1f

I wasn’t on the thread. The OP of this thread challenged several posts and was given the same treatment I have received here. Namely flat out denial there is no racism. I am sure the OP reported some posts, but for some of us reporting doesn’t necessarily mean deletion.

Perhaps an apology is in order from all the posters who have flung shit at me for two days denying the existence of this racism on FWR and accusing me of being in a gang or cadre out to get FWR shut down.

My expectations are that when Black or ethnic posters raise concerns about racism that they actually get listened to. It should not have taken more than 3 days of putting up with the shit that has been thrown at me to even get to an admission that the OP’s first post linked real evidence. It should not have taken be going to the example and cutting and pasting the racism and posting it here for FWR to even take notice of it.

My position is that its the height of white privilege to expect to be spoon-fed information about racism. Its not my place to educate white women.

No one asked you to educate them. People were asking for the accusations to be substantiated.

It did happen to be reprinted on an Australian site, but it is a European source.

Yes, you already said it was from Luxembourg. It seemed to mostly be about Eastern Europe.

YOU ignored them by not bothering to read the examples linked for your perusal and claimed there was no evidence of racism on the OP’s example.

I made it clear in an earlier post that I read the thread linked in the OP. I commented on that and I stand by what I said.

What have you done other than not bother to look at this thread posted in the OP

I did, and I posted about it. As on other threads, you don't read people's posts properly.

The OP had already more than adequately substantiated them in their opening post!

FWR posters pushing me to the point of silver spooning 3 days later because FWR posters on this thread couldn’t be arsed to even for a second think a Black/ethnic poster isn’t posting in ‘bad faith’ to go and have a peek is racism in action.

You joined in on that group think and pile on. You have posted some baseless allegations directly in response to earlier posts of mine all centred around believing other FWR posters unquestioningly when they said there was no racism, no evidence, no examples.

You need to ask yourself, when did you stop looking things up for yourself and just going along with groups engaging in racism denial when interacting with Black and ethnic posters?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes, you already said it was from Luxembourg. It seemed to mostly be about Eastern Europe.

Great. So no-one can moan "Ooh, it's Australian, it doesn't apply," then.

The OP had already more than adequately substantiated them in their opening post!

No she didn't. She posted a thread with hundreds of posts, and made some vague smears about people criticising "wokeness". Hence all the posts asking exactly what to look at.

Great. So no-one can moan "Ooh, it's Australian, it doesn't apply," then.

Yes I always pick up the Luxembourg newspapers to understand what's going on in the world.

I mean, the thread can be easily flipped, but just so we don't lose sight of it (in the last 30 posts) here is OP post:

There is a concerning growth of posts with racist undertones cropping up on these boards, all under the guise of being proudly 'anti-woke'.

Apparently diversity is 'woke' and worthy of derision.

This is the thread I'm referring to here.

Disney went woke now they're going broke http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4836570-disney-went-woke-now-theyre-going-brokee^

Mumsnet needs to looks at why that board draws such types of posts, and why posters feel so comfortable openly airing their racism.

The thread is 235 posts long. Why play guessing games? Just indicate which posts you are objecting to, for heaven's sake.

You claim to have read it after your other posts that I have screen shot alleging no racism to see and it’s a smear campaign. But your later post doesn’t read like you actually read the thread and you are eager to minimise and whitewash, and end with saying this is a an attempt to smear FWR.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes I always pick up the Luxembourg newspapers to understand what's going on in the world.

You know the article doesn't refer to just Luxembourg. It's applicable globally - the reason why it was reprinted across the world perhaps? You're being deliberately disingenuous.

So you think it’s the job of the victims of racism to spoon feed you exactly the racist comments? Because our reading it, and reporting back isn’t good enough. Black posters can’t post in good faith can they? After all you weren’t “born yesterday” and so we get to feel the full force of your “smear” allegations?

The devil works hard but white supremacy works harder.

You claim to have read it after your other posts that I have screen shot alleging no racism to see and it’s a smear campaign. But your later post doesn’t read like you actually read the thread and you are eager to minimise and whitewash, and end with saying this is a an attempt to smear FWR.

I quite clearly referenced a specific post on the thread which you would know if you read it yourself. I don't have anything to prove to you. I'm not really interested in what you think about anything, Crackhen. I stand by my post 100%.

You know the article doesn't refer to just Luxembourg.

Yes I do, that's why I said it was mainly about Eastern Europe. Last time I checked, Luxembourg wasn't in Eastern Europe.