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Moderation Sex Board

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onirgellep · 13/04/2023 23:06

Back in February Justine* committed to an urgent review of moderation of the Sex Board subsequent to the considerable concerns mainly arising from the longstanding Sex Chat thread

Unsurprisingly, issues continue

Would it be possible to have an update on the progress of the review?

And hear when do you anticipate it being completed and the new moderation put into action?

Thank you

I'm afraid I'm unable to link Justine's post on the thread References to Underage Sex on the Sex Board* page 13

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 14/04/2023 14:22

horridjobescapee · 14/04/2023 14:20

I am going to ignore comments that are insisting that this thread is a vendetta as I don't think that it is and if I respond to those comments then I will be seen as part of a vendetta. I would suggest others do the same.

Agreed. It's just goady bollocks and best ignored.

Surplus2requirements · 14/04/2023 14:24

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 14:12

Then objections to other content on the site in the link we're raised (understandably) and the OP apologised and reported the thread for deletion.

One of her responses when confronted with the information was ‘I didn’t know it contained incest or teen sex. But monster sex sounds fun’ Possibly with a laughing emoji. That’s not a responsible persons reply to finding out that a link they posted contained what it did. Would that be a response you would make?

Only when it became clear that people were disgusted at teen sex and incest did she announce she had reported herself.

Very shortly after another Site Stuff thread was started asking whether the OP of the Sex Board thread would/should be banned. MNHQ swiftly deleted this thread.

Thats not true. A poster asked whether links to those sites were allowed as the deletion message from the thread with the link didn’t say this was the reason for deletion. It said ‘looking into background of posters’ not ‘the link was unacceptable’. They were rightly confused about what is allowed and what isn’t so asked for clarity. They asked how posters who posted that sort of content would be dealt with, was it like any other link, or would it be dealt with more harshly due to it being incest and teen sex on a parenting board. They didn’t ask if the poster would be banned.

Yes it was carefully worded. It didn't name the poster (and made a point of not doing so) even though it was obvious.

It didn't ask for them to be banned it asked if HQ thought they should be banned

It was posted almost immediately after the existing Site Stuff thread where the poster in question that was being attacked was deleted.

It was deleted swiftly before there was any chance of it being derailed.

Now, like this thread are we supposed to believe there's no connection?

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 14:30

Mermaidparades · 14/04/2023 14:21

@HeartbreakHouse re your post at 14:12 - we discussed this over an hour ago, I apologised. See this is why I feel like people are trying to victimise me!

You have said it now. Can you not appreciate how not saying it yesterday was a problem?

For me to say that posters found your reaction odd yesterday and correcting a poster doesn’t make you a victim.

I am pleased that you have now apologised. With topics like this, apologising very quickly and showing that you were as horrified as the rest posters, would in my opinion, have been better. When you don’t speak up quickly and make a joke around the disturbing content, people draw their own conclusions.

TheShellBeach · 14/04/2023 14:30

It was deleted swiftly before there was any chance of it being derailed

It was deleted because it was a TAAT.

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 14:34

Surplus2requirements · 14/04/2023 14:24

Yes it was carefully worded. It didn't name the poster (and made a point of not doing so) even though it was obvious.

It didn't ask for them to be banned it asked if HQ thought they should be banned

It was posted almost immediately after the existing Site Stuff thread where the poster in question that was being attacked was deleted.

It was deleted swiftly before there was any chance of it being derailed.

Now, like this thread are we supposed to believe there's no connection?

It was deleted because it ‘became’ a TAAT. Mumsnets words. So mumsnet didn’t class it as a TAAT initially. The
de railers seen to it that it became one in order to get it deleted.

Mermaidparades · 14/04/2023 14:38

@HeartbreakHouse can you not appreciate that I told you earlier that I tend to use humour as a coping mechanism/ to diffuse . I feel like you think it’s appropriate to mark my reactions out of 10 or something. I get stressed out when I have a group of people telling me how awful I am, I think that’s pretty natural. I don’t always say the right thing, but I do apologise when I fuck up. I’m not a robot.

Theyresexpeoplemn · 14/04/2023 14:38
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Grim and not suitable for mumsnet in any way. Have @mnhq even responded?

IDLPM · 14/04/2023 14:39

Anyone would think Surplus2requirements - another man of the sex people - doesn't want this to be discussed, at least by concerned women.

Mermaidparades · 14/04/2023 14:41

@IDLPM can you please explain why anyone would think that?

TheShellBeach · 14/04/2023 14:41

I am rather tired of the constant attempts to get threads derailed and deleted on this topic.
There is no bullying.
If someone feels bullied they should report posts to MNHQ.

Or here's a novel idea - maybe not start hook-up threads in the first place.

Mermaidparades · 14/04/2023 14:43

@TheShellBeach i did not start a hook up thread! Where is the lady with the screenshots?! Maybe she could help me out!! I was telling people to go to another (granted, totally inappropriate) site.

TheShellBeach · 14/04/2023 14:45

Mermaidparades · 14/04/2023 14:41

@IDLPM can you please explain why anyone would think that?

I know this was not directed at me but I can answer - people believe that Surplus does not want this discussed by concerned women because he inserts himself endlessly in discussions about the topic, mansplaining away, goading, hoping that eventually the thread will be derailed and deleted.

onirgellep · 14/04/2023 14:46

Theyresexpeoplemn · 14/04/2023 14:38

Grim and not suitable for mumsnet in any way. Have @mnhq even responded?

@JoMumsnet has been responding to other threads on Site Stuff this lunchtime

I can see that this isn't an easy issue for them to resolve and it's probably quite tedious for them to see it come up again. But I guess that's part of the problem not addressing problems promptly which then grind on interminably and then occasionally erupting

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 14/04/2023 14:49

onirgellep · 14/04/2023 14:46

@JoMumsnet has been responding to other threads on Site Stuff this lunchtime

I can see that this isn't an easy issue for them to resolve and it's probably quite tedious for them to see it come up again. But I guess that's part of the problem not addressing problems promptly which then grind on interminably and then occasionally erupting

I agree that this problem seems to have gone on interminably.
I hope we get some clarification on moderation soon.

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 14:53

Mermaidparades · 14/04/2023 14:38

@HeartbreakHouse can you not appreciate that I told you earlier that I tend to use humour as a coping mechanism/ to diffuse . I feel like you think it’s appropriate to mark my reactions out of 10 or something. I get stressed out when I have a group of people telling me how awful I am, I think that’s pretty natural. I don’t always say the right thing, but I do apologise when I fuck up. I’m not a robot.

You are capable of apologising. You’ve done it now.

I also use humour in awkward situations but on very serious topics, I’ve found it best not to.

TheShellBeach · 14/04/2023 14:53

Mermaidparades · 14/04/2023 14:43

@TheShellBeach i did not start a hook up thread! Where is the lady with the screenshots?! Maybe she could help me out!! I was telling people to go to another (granted, totally inappropriate) site.

I've got the screenshots, Mermaid.

Theyresexpeoplemn · 14/04/2023 14:53

onirgellep · 14/04/2023 14:46

@JoMumsnet has been responding to other threads on Site Stuff this lunchtime

I can see that this isn't an easy issue for them to resolve and it's probably quite tedious for them to see it come up again. But I guess that's part of the problem not addressing problems promptly which then grind on interminably and then occasionally erupting

Thank you. If they are insisting on allowing these threads, then on site, real time moderation should be the minimum standard .

Maybebe · 14/04/2023 15:01

MNHQ have removed the sex topic from active threads now.
Any user can report a thread or a comment if they find it offensive or worry that it's inappropriate.
So if you don't like the sex topic - don't look at it and your problems will be solved. I would stop worrying and leave it to the hands of the professionals who actually run the site.

onirgellep · 14/04/2023 15:02

Theyresexpeoplemn · 14/04/2023 14:53

Thank you. If they are insisting on allowing these threads, then on site, real time moderation should be the minimum standard .

Putting the sex board in active let the genie out of the bottle - probably very few MNers knew about the hook up thread before then

Trying to stuff it back in the bottle - well nigh impossible?

OP posts:
horridjobescapee · 14/04/2023 15:03

Maybebe · 14/04/2023 15:01

MNHQ have removed the sex topic from active threads now.
Any user can report a thread or a comment if they find it offensive or worry that it's inappropriate.
So if you don't like the sex topic - don't look at it and your problems will be solved. I would stop worrying and leave it to the hands of the professionals who actually run the site.

That's not quite the case. I find the links to deviant websites abhorrent and since mumsnet is post-moderated, unless people look and report, the links threads and nsfw threads including the various iterations of the hook up thread, will stand (since the regulars on the sex board don't necessarily report threads like that).

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 15:05

I don’t understand why they would want discussion shut down.

Better moderation could actually help the board and it’s posters. For example, the thread with the link on could have been picked up on before it was posted, if mumsnet changed their moderation. This would have saved the OP the stress and embarrassment of having unknowingly posted a link to teen sex and incest. It could also cancel out some lot of the pervs and leave more genuine posters to post stuff within guidelines. Everyone would be happier.

For moderation to be discussed, it’s likely that past issues will be used as examples. Hopefully if mumsnet do decide to improve the moderation, it will not need to be discussed anymore. Until then, it should be talked about.

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 15:12

Maybebe · 14/04/2023 15:01

MNHQ have removed the sex topic from active threads now.
Any user can report a thread or a comment if they find it offensive or worry that it's inappropriate.
So if you don't like the sex topic - don't look at it and your problems will be solved. I would stop worrying and leave it to the hands of the professionals who actually run the site.

There will be plenty of people who like the sex topic yet not like hook up threads or links to incest/teen sex or obvious perv threads.

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 15:13

Also, as mumsnet rely on users to report or raise issues to improve the site, discussing issues is a good thing.

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 14/04/2023 15:17

onirgellep · 14/04/2023 13:16

I've wondered about pre-moderation too - other sites large and small manage to do it with contentious topics

But there's obviously a cost implication And also the wellbeing of moderators

Plus the inevitable push-back from the Sex Board users

Hang on, so you don't even use the board yourself?

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 14/04/2023 15:19

HeartbreakHouse · 14/04/2023 14:53

You are capable of apologising. You’ve done it now.

I also use humour in awkward situations but on very serious topics, I’ve found it best not to.

Christ, give it a rest, don't tell people how they should pr should not react to stuff. You made your point, move on.

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