war topic

[Samcro]

any chance of a covid style war topic for all the "are we going to war " threads please.

The issue is about whether people are then banned from posting about it elsewhere, which is what a lot of people want

I have no idea where this comes from!

If you want a special section for Ukraine while still allowing people to post about it on other boards if they wish, then I have no argument with that

Yes!

No idea why this is suddenly a revelation!

There will always be posters who post in other places. No-one has ever disputed that. But gradually, when people are aware that specific boards exist - as well as asking MNHQ to move posts - things do tend to get posted in the 'right' place.

@BIWI

The issue is about whether people are then banned from posting about it elsewhere, which is what a lot of people want

I have no idea where this comes from!

If you want a special section for Ukraine while still allowing people to post about it on other boards if they wish, then I have no argument with that

Yes!

No idea why this is suddenly a revelation!

There will always be posters who post in other places. No-one has ever disputed that. But gradually, when people are aware that specific boards exist - as well as asking MNHQ to move posts - things do tend to get posted in the 'right' place.

Sorry, but I think you're being disingenuous here. People will not be happy for others to carry on posting in Chat or AIBU etc, and they will jump on posters for doing so, exactly as they did with regard to Brexit, Covid etc.

Also, if people are not banned from posting on the miscellaneous boards, then there will be no need for MNHQ to move the threads, will there? They don't currently move all the relationships posts from AIBU to Relationships for example, or the school-related ones to Education. If everyone is free to post wherever they like, then the threads can just stay wherever they are. If you are not happy with that, then it suggests that you do want a ban after all.

I'm not looking for a ban at all.

Of course people won't be happy if posters carry on posting in AIBU or Chat when there's a specific topic. But as we've seen with Covid and Brexit - generally people do start posting in the 'right' place. And if enough people ask MNHQ then posts do get moved.

It's not about banning at all

@BIWI

I'm not looking for a ban at all.

Of course people won't be happy if posters carry on posting in AIBU or Chat when there's a specific topic. But as we've seen with Covid and Brexit - generally people do start posting in the 'right' place. And if enough people ask MNHQ then posts do get moved.

It's not about banning at all

It isn't about banning at all.... but people won't be happy if posters carry on posting on the miscellaneous boards. Right.

Surely they would have no right to object to posters posting in AIBU or Chat if there was no ban. The threads would be left to stand like any others on a multitude of other topics which also have their own boards.

The only reason people started using the Brexit and covid threads in the end is because they got fed up with being bullied by the aggressive thread police and having their threads derailed. It doesn't mean that they were happy about it.

It’s simple.

Separate topic.

Brief guidelines posted.

Report threads so they can be moved.
Report anyone policing boards (deletion will refer to guidelines).

No need for typing long-winded paragraphs to defend the suggestion of a separate topic.

Posts are getting more hysterical - and spouting absolute shite - it’s becoming ridiculous.

I’m starting to feel -misty-eyed and nostalgic for the armchair covid experts now!

@BIWI

I'm not looking for a ban at all.

Of course people won't be happy if posters carry on posting in AIBU or Chat when there's a specific topic. But as we've seen with Covid and Brexit - generally people do start posting in the 'right' place. And if enough people ask MNHQ then posts do get moved.

It's not about banning at all

Oh come on, at least be honest about what you are asking.

You want all discussion on topic X to be not just offered another topic but actively moved to that space, out of sight from the general topics unless posters already know its there. Read back through your own posts.

Then we have other requests here on this thread to go with the new topic, not just to actively move threads out of AIBU/Chat into War, but also to hide all mention of the War topic and its threads from active and trending. But no sticky to say "you can't post on topic X here" because we want to pretend we are not changing anything.

Again - what are the metrics? Every day I have been paging through the first three pages worth of active and see very small numbers of threads - far less than I remember for covid in the early stages. Today I see a couple of threads and two of those this morning are serious discussions, one is mostly discussion, none appear on page one of active.

On the first two pages of active there are more threads on OW than Ukraine. Obviously we need an OW topic and all OW threads should be reported to mods and moved there and obviously reports on people complaining that OW posts are in AIBU should be reported to the mods who probably are only filing their nails and need something to do (for free of course as you seem to think mod time is free).

You want all discussion on topic X to be not just offered another topic but actively moved to that space, out of sight from the general topics unless posters already know its there

But if you haven't hidden the topic then you will still see the threads so why is it a problem. If they are active then they are active. No need to go searching for them.

If I "unhide" the coronavirus topic then any new posts will show up on my "last day" list. I prefer that they don't so I have the topic hidden. It isn't "hidden away" from anyone else unless they actively hide it.

@Parpophone

You want all discussion on topic X to be not just offered another topic but actively moved to that space, out of sight from the general topics unless posters already know its there

But if you haven't hidden the topic then you will still see the threads so why is it a problem. If they are active then they are active. No need to go searching for them.

If I "unhide" the coronavirus topic then any new posts will show up on my "last day" list. I prefer that they don't so I have the topic hidden. It isn't "hidden away" from anyone else unless they actively hide it.

That isn't the request though. A new topic is largely a matter of metrics to justify it over time.

However on this thread and others the request is not just for a new topic, its the additional requests to change the general discussion topics and actively police threads on a subject into their "correct" topic and also prevent them from appearing in "trending" and "active". If you are going to change the general discussion topics to disallow certain subjects you need a clear set of rules around that.

As I said upthread - if the sight of a title is causing problems its time to hide or avoid the general topics for a while or be honest and say that the general topics are no longer general and certain discussions are not allowed.

I want a new topic. That is all.

I'd like people to post in that topic, and for their posts to be moved if people request that. But I'm not after banning anyone.

Actually, above all though, I'd like MNHQ to just make a decision about what they're going to do. If they're not going to create a topic, then fair enough. At least we know!

I've just gone through my posts to check @C8H10N4O2, and nowhere have I called for a ban, so to suggest I'm not being honest is pretty mean.

From my post on Sunday:

There will always be people who don't post in the 'right' place - it happens all the time. But once people know the topic exists, as with Brexit and Covid, most people do post there

Please note - I'm not asking about the thing to be policed either

I just want them to make a bloody decision! Either way

the latest spare seem to be how anyone who cares about refugees from there are racist.

But @BIWI, you've said that people will "of course" be unhappy if people continue to post in Chat or AIBU once a separate topic has been created.

At present, Chat and AIBU are not limited to topics which do not have a board of their own, so unless there is an explicit ban on posting on those threads about certain subjects, then there would be no reason for people to be unhappy about posters to continue posting in those areas. And there would also be no reason to move the threads because no rules would have been broken.

You can't have it both ways. Either you want threads on Ukraine to be banned from the miscellaneous boards or you accept that people are entitled to post about it on those boards because there is no ban in place. You can't claim that you don't want a ban while simultaneously saying that people will of course be unhappy if others don't observe that non-existent ban.

If people are unhappy, we all know that they will pile on the threads to complain about posts being on the "wrong" boards. However, it cannot possibly be the wrong board if there is no explicit ban in place.

You can't claim that you don't want a ban while simultaneously saying that people will of course be unhappy if others don't observe that non-existent ban

Of course I can!

Look - there isn't a ban on anyone posting anywhere they like right now. And that won't change if a new board suddenly appears.

Yes, people get narked about posts 'in the wrong place' but if they're really that bothered, they can ask MNHQ to move them. That's what I'd imagine will happen here, if there is a new board.

And people don't 'pile in' either. You might get one or two complaining. I'd imagine there are also others who report without posting on the actual thread. Sometimes MNHQ move posts and sometimes they don't.

Anyway I'll leave you to it now. You're determined to think I'm asking for something I'm not, and no amount of me posting is going to change your mind.

i think all this talk of banning threads is away to shut discussion down.
very few topics are banned on mn. people post where ever they like, but if someone want to start sensible thread about an important topic like war. surely its own topic would be best. or you have aibu to feel sorry for the people in Ukraine? which is a silly aibu because who would say you are bu?

There is no such thing as "the wrong place" if certain topics aren't banned. Posters can ask about anything on AIBU as long as there is a question of some sort about whether they are being reasonable, and posters can chat about anything on Chat. It is only "the wrong topic" if MNHQ explicitly states that posters should not post about that subject on a particular board. You and other posters don't get to arbitrarily decide that it's the "wrong topic" just because they find the subject matter irritating or boring or whatever. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about that.

And in my experience, the thread police do sometimes pile on to threads when they perceive that posters have posted in the wrong place. There has been a lot of talk about the lack of a separate board causing anxiety for posters who are sensitive about thread titles, and yet there seems to be no concern at all about lambasting posters who might be feeling equally anxious for posting in the "wrong place".

If MNHQ does decide to create a new board, I hope that they will be crystal clear about whether posts about certain topics are still allowed on the miscellaneous boards or not. The fudged version that @BIWI seems to be arguing for is the absolute worst of both worlds - no ban but just enough ambiguity for the self righteous to feel that they are entitled to have a go at people who transgress against the unwritten rules.

I didn't mention wrong place.

@BIWI talked about threads being posted in the wrong place.

Look - there isn't a ban on anyone posting anywhere they like right now. And that won't change if a new board suddenly appears

There's an example of being disingenuous.

You know perfectly well that the moment a new topic is created AIBU and Chat threads on the subject will be inundated with whiny posts complaining "you posted in the wrong place" - just as happened with Covid.

Meanwhile you can sit back and say "I never told the thread police to attack, I simply and helpfully told them to go to the other topic".

Again - on this thread, we have had requests for a separate topic, for that topic to be used as "quarantine" for Ukraine threads, for Ukraine threads to be removed from active and trending and out of sight completely rather than posters managing this for themselves by hiding AIBU and chat for a couple of weeks.

Meanwhile I've been looking at the Ukraine threads every morning on the first two pages of active - the average I'm seeing over the past week is two, sometimes three, including the two longer running threads of non emotive title and serious discussion.

On each day they have been outnumbered by threads on MiLs, OW, diet fads and just about every other random topic. Maybe HQ have metrics to show across the day its wildly different but I'm not seeing the huge numbers of threads popping up which I'm guessing is why at the moment, there isn't a new topic.

I just want them to make a bloody decision! Either way

They made a decision, you didn't like that. They said they would keep it under review, you didn't like that either.

You don't want them to make a decision either way, you want them to make your decision. More examples of being disingenuous.

the latest spare seem to be how anyone who cares about refugees from there are racist

Oh so now we mustn't discuss racism either on the general topics? Racism as a factor in our response to international crisis is an entirely serious topic worthy of attention. Not as frothy as the latest -zilla or parking thread I grant you but of fairly direct interest to a sizeable subset of us.

I suppose we could have a topic of racism but frankly I'd suggest we use it to "quarantine" some posters rather than the threads. Now that really would make my MN pleasanter to read.