war topic

[Samcro]

any chance of a covid style war topic for all the "are we going to war " threads please.

if @mnhq don't want a war topi, can we at least have a thread where all the boycott stuff that has already been paid for......could go?

Ionsion - thanks for letting us know - we'l try to find out what going on with that thread and we'll also have a chat here at HQ about whether there is a need for a war topic or similar.

How long are @MNHQ going to tell us that they're 'having a chat' about it, or considering it, @FlissMumsnet? Does it really take you over 3 weeks to make a decision?

I thought they had already said no (at the moment)?

@BIWI

How long are *@MNHQ going to tell us that they're 'having a chat' about it, or considering it, @FlissMumsnet*? Does it really take you over 3 weeks to make a decision?

They had a chat and stated a few days ago (1 March upthread) that they won't have a separate board as yet but might reconsider in the future.

We've discussed this and we're not going to take any action at the moment. This isn't to say that we're never going to make changes with regards to this discussion - but we're reviewing this as we go along. It's an enormous topic at the moment and it's everywhere (not just on Mumsnet). If you need to hide a thread, you can do this without even looking at the opening post. Just open it up and click the 'hide' button above the title.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4481166-war-topic?msgid=115515937

'At the moment' at least sounds like they will review if need be.

Nope, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus - first response to this request is on this thread, on 14 February.

If MNHQ decide not to create another board that's their prerogative, clearly. I just don't understand why it takes them such a long time to make a decision!

@BIWI

Nope, *@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus* - first response to this request is on this thread, on 14 February.

If MNHQ decide not to create another board that's their prerogative, clearly. I just don't understand why it takes them such a long time to make a decision!

I linked to their response on March 1 which gave the decision that I quoted.

There's been 5 more days of scaremongering threads and further requests for a topic so maybe time for a review.

The point being that this issue was first raised, and responded to by MNHQ, on 14 February. And we keep getting posts from them saying they're still thinking about it.

BBC website now has a 'War in Ukraine' topic

I spotted it for the first time today

@AuntieStella

BBC website now has a 'War in Ukraine' topic

I spotted it for the first time today

Good for them - and I bet they don't get accused of "sticking their heads in the sand" or "pretending it isn't happening".

How very dare the Beeb shovel all the Ukraine news stories into one place where they can be easily found. They should be all mixed up with the other international news surely?

@Sparklingbrook

How very dare the Beeb shovel all the Ukraine news stories into one place where they can be easily found. They should be all mixed up with the other international news surely?

You put it much better than I did!

@BIWI

Nope, *@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus* - first response to this request is on this thread, on 14 February.

If MNHQ decide not to create another board that's their prerogative, clearly. I just don't understand why it takes them such a long time to make a decision!

Because its not a static situation.

I sometimes think I read MN in an alternative universe. If I look at "active threads" the only Ukraine related thread on page 1 is this one:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4497615-Funny-brave-heartwarming-stories-from-Ukraine

Hardly fearmongering war fodder.

On page two of active this thread comes up, followed by another perfectly serious, non sensationalist thread started about racism:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4497225-to-think-the-situation-in-ukraine-has-highlighted-how-racist-many-still-are

If I look at the trending threads, the only one in the rotation is thread 9 of the long running discussion thread on the subject. Also not sensationalist or fear mongering.

Perhaps HQ are counting actual threads and styles rather than perceptions and still don't have enough activity to merit a new topic and all that would go with it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4498233-If-its-true-Putin-has-terminal-bowel-cancer-does-this-make-the-situation-more-or-less-dangerous-to-Ukraine

I totally get that it's not a static situation! I'm not stupid

But how hard would it be to make a decision? Unless it's actually costing MNHQ to set up a different board?!

But how hard would it be to make a decision? Unless it's actually costing MNHQ to set up a different board?!

Its presumably a cost benefit analysis as it would be for any other site.

And yes, of course it has costs associated with it - why on earth wouldn't it? There is both the cost of managing/maintaining a separate topic (especialy one made mandatory for that subject) and the cost of fragmenting traffic which is often less obvious.

The asks on here keep growing so that its not just a separate topic but also for the threads on the subject to be hidden from active and trending and actively moved into the "quarantine" space so that the whole subject is rendered invisible unless you happen to know its there and go looking - OTBT for Ukraine. Because gods forbid adults should be expected to manage what they read in any way at all.

I wouldn't mind betting the cost of managing the covid topic has been pretty significant in terms of mod time alone and that is one factor going into the decision making.

They also have the benefit of actual numbers of Ukraine related threads every day rather than the perceptions of individual posters.

For me new topic/no new topic is simply a matter of numbers and traffic on the subject. Its the wider policing of the subject which is being demanded that I have issues with. I'm an adult, its my responsibility to hide AIBU/chat at times when I just don't want to risk seeing subjects to which I'm sensitive at the time.

And yes, of course it has costs associated with it - why on earth wouldn't it? There is both the cost of managing/maintaining a separate topic (especialy one made mandatory for that subject) and the cost of fragmenting traffic which is often less obvious.

Why would there be costs? They won't be managing or maintaining a separate topic any more than they do any other! And no-one is talking about making it mandatory. It would be on the same basis as any other topic. MNHQ don't pre-moderate, so there wouldn't be anyone having to assume responsibility for it.

There will always be people who don't post in the 'right' place - it happens all the time. But once people know the topic exists, as with Brexit and Covid, most people do post there.

Please note - I'm not asking about the thing to be policed either.

I just want them to make a bloody decision! Either way.

How very dare the Beeb shovel all the Ukraine news stories into one place where they can be easily found. They should be all mixed up with the other international news surely?

I don't understand the analogy. I mean, it isn't as if the BBC has edited the Ukraine story out of their main news broadcasts and told people who are interested to go to the Ukraine section on their website just in case they upset people who don't want to hear about the war....

Maybe the bbc feel that the situation is serious enough to warrant its own section.
Unlike here where people post among the aibu to moan about a dog barking.

I'm for a separate board.

Some of the panic and scaremongering is completely OTT.

OTBT for Ukraine. Because gods forbid adults should be expected to manage what they read in any way at all

Many of us do manage what we read, thanks very much.

It's unavoidable when it's the first line of the Trending bar though isn't it?

The Ukraine invasion is an important topic and should remain as such. All this whataboutery to do with nuclear bombs being dropped on us is just scaremongering.

I still agree with another topic. It was like playing whack a mole trying to hide them last night. They’re usually all along the same lines, whipping up a frenzy or discussing over and over again how to help.

@Samcro

Maybe the bbc feel that the situation is serious enough to warrant its own section. Unlike here where people post among the aibu to moan about a dog barking.

Once again, I don't think the issue is about having its own topic. Nobody objects to that. The issue is about whether people are then banned from posting about it elsewhere, which is what a lot of people want.

The comparison with the BBC isn't relevant because the reports are not excluded from the main news programmes or from the headlines, with people being directed to the specific area on the website if they want to know what's going on. Quite the contrary, actually - it's all over the headlines, as you would expect.

If you want a special section for Ukraine while still allowing people to post about it on other boards if they wish, then I have no argument with that. I just don't want you or other posters trying to control what others post on the miscellaneous boards that are open for all topics.