Request to remove the word 'debate' from ' Feminism: Sex & gender debate'

[Thelnebriati]

Can you please remove the word 'debate'? It doesn't add anything.

Especially if the trans widows threads are to remain on the board.

Another vote in agreement with the OP.

@RedDogsBeg

Another vote in agreement with the OP.

Same

Transwidows are being hung out to dry…

Agree. The word "debate" is superfluous.

And I do think there should always BE debate on this issue, that’s a given, but I’m not personally coming to post on this topic TO debate 99% of the time. Obviously other posters may feel differently.

I think that puts well how many of us feel.

Agree. The subject isn’t up for debate. It is about defending biological reality and sex based women’s rights

Agree.

I agree that it should be “gender identity”

@EstherMumsnet

Evening! Just to let you know we've seen this and will discuss it with the team.

Can you please also discuss again why the FWR boards have been split? In light of the recent MF judgement?

@R0wantrees

I'm surprised that it is not, "sex and gender identity". The FWR chat special rules were originally titled "sex and gender" and MNHQ agreed to change them to more accurately reflect the issues which are the balancing of sex and gender identity (not gender).

This is made clear in the recent Maya Forstater ETA ruling where it is established that both a belief and lack of belief in gender identity is protected.

I didn't realise that was the original suggestion, and agree its much better than the current title.

I agree it’s important to be specific that it is ‘gender identity” and not “gender” that is the subject here. Not being specific causes confusion.

But regarding the OP, the last couple of days have really shown how the split of the board, and adding “debate” to the name, has brought some deeply unpleasant hounding of trans widows to the board.

It would be the right thing to do to remove the the word “debate”.

Absolutely agree with this request.

Agree too.

Agree too

Agree.

Agree

I 100% agree and to save our typing energy many have said why in this linked thread , particularly the last couple of pages

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4276803-so-mumsnet-ignored-our-request-to-have-something-to-do-with-feminism-or-women-in-the-name-of-the-naughty-step-subtopic?pg=6

Agree - thanks for starting this thread OP

Agree.

Don't like the new division either.

Adding my agreement.

Also in support of op.

Agree with the OP. Remove the word 'debate'.

Agree

Another vote for ‘Sex and Gender Identity’ pending a rush of common sense to the head and restoration of one feminism chat board

Adding my agreement too - please remove 'debate' and rename 'sex and gender identity'

Another vote for ‘Sex and Gender Identity’

Feminism: Sex and Gender Identity , to be clear!