Request to remove the word 'debate' from ' Feminism: Sex & gender debate'

[Thelnebriati]

Can you please remove the word 'debate'? It doesn't add anything.

Especially if the trans widows threads are to remain on the board.

Agree!

Agree...

Agree!

Having just had a chat with one of the trans widows I can't imagine why their support group is being 'debated'. That's ludicrous, really adding insult to injury.

But I doubt MNHQ will change either the transwidows placement or the board name, Justine seemed quite adamant last week. We don't have much if a voice, it seems.

No other MN board includes the title ‘debate’.

It does say much about the general MN thinking about a certain type of feminism, doesn't it?

Agree

Even just changing it to discussion would be a bit more neutral.

I agree, and I raised this with @MNHQ when I reported a particularly vile post on the thread "use of the term Trans Widow"

the post was deleted (good!) and I was told that "We've raised the wider issues you are concerned about here for further discussion within the team."

Not discussion, debate.

(If they can have a discussion, why can't we?)

Agree!

Agree.

Nowhere else on the site is the word ‘debate’ used in the title.

Yep, totally agree.

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Agreed. I hate this new segregation of the board but adding "debate" adds extra insult.

I don’t mind it. It’s two fingers to the #nodebate donkeys.

Would prefer if they hadn’t split the boards though. That was stupid.

I agree, it's turned a previously supportive space into a bun fight where trans widows are harassed.

Agree

Even apart from the trans widows, the threads (new and inherited from the previous board) aren't all 'debate'.

There are support threads and ones seeking advice. Items from the news or journals, other types of information - some of these may generate debate, others won't.
'Debate' alone in the title is misleading, and liable to cause problems.

I like this suggestion. “Feminism: Sex and Gender” covers all the different kinds of threads Errol has pointed out.

“Debate” runs the risk of excluding women who are interested in the topic but too intimidated to leap into a board that seems to promise conflict.

I'm surprised that it is not, "sex and gender identity".
The FWR chat special rules were originally titled "sex and gender" and MNHQ agreed to change them to more accurately reflect the issues which are the balancing of sex and gender identity (not gender).

This is made clear in the recent Maya Forstater ETA ruling where it is established that both a belief and lack of belief in gender identity is protected.

I agree. The word "debate" is superfluous. Nearly all mumsnet threads involve discussion and debate.

I agree with this.

Agree. It's like having a board called "FWR debate", like there's another side to be considered - should women have rights? Do they have too many rights?" should women have the vote? Should women own property? It seems women's rights are going backwards.