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Dear black people of mumsnet

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PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 17:24

Ideas for a black section on mumsnet.

Should we have separate sections i.e black hair and beauty, black parenting, black cooking or a general black section?

Link to previous

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4018383-black-section-on-mn

OP posts:
Polkasquare · 10/09/2020 19:36

@wildcherries

I hope HQ listens. I'm still in disbelief how this suggestion was likened to segregation on the other thread. No one has said only black people would be able to post there. The whatabouttery is only proving OP's point.
Well, I was told to be quiet as I am white.
EDSGFC · 10/09/2020 19:36

Do you think it is important for their to be a black moderator or similar?
Perhaps a black mumsnetter helping to set the section up.

Why? Do the other boards have members with the particular characteristic moderating them? Did mumsnetters set them up?

I remember the feminism board being denied only having women moderators for example. So, is the board for people with disabilities moderated by someone with a disability? Were disabled mumsnetters involved in setting it up?

midgebabe · 10/09/2020 19:36

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PicsInRed · 10/09/2020 19:37

This thread Hmm

OP, well done on remaining so calm, polite and professional in the face of such outrageous, and willful provocation and the rages of the apparently unhinged. Your threads have highlighted the need nicely.

PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 19:37

@TeamGhanaJollof

Ignore the racist nutters OP, you’re coming across absolutely fine; well done for standing your ground. It’s revealing isn’t it, just how threatened some people feel by a black woman who stands up for herself and pushes back?

We’ve got your back sis! ✊🏾

Thank you But now I need some jollof Grin
OP posts:
LordOfTheOnionRings · 10/09/2020 19:38

Why are so many people against a BAME section?

Seriously, it doesn't effect you - why are you so triggered?

MargotsBumpyNight · 10/09/2020 19:38

A lot of racists outing themselves here and a fucktonne of tone policing.

Glad you are running with this OP. A black moderator is definitely needed.

I'm white so feel free to ignore but maybe a Black pregnancy section? As Black people are already so disadvantaged in their care.

PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 19:38

@Fannytastical

Fuck sake, what’s wrong with people? If black women want a section on MN to discuss issues affecting them, why would anyone who isn’t a black woman have a problem with it?!

OP, get on with collating the sensible answers here and pushing for what you want. Ignore the ‘all lives matter‘ crew.

Thank you.

I'm trying. Very testing though.

Thank goodness we're behind screens

OP posts:
TinySleepThief · 10/09/2020 19:38

[quote Schoolsout2]@PatricksRum I think maybe multicultural sounds like a better term and more inviting.[/quote]
Yes it does, which again as I've pointed out in vain is why it already exists.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/multicultural_families

It's hardly used though which is unfortunate, but it exists none the less.

PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 19:39

[quote ColleagueFromMars]@PatricksRum good luck, I support you 100%. I wonder if it might be a good idea to start off as one section for all things black related, and once it's a bit established you will (collectively) have an idea if you think sub sections would be helpful or not. If it's quieter while it builds up, it might be better to have all topics in one. Just my 2p worth.

@leostar that's possibly the most clear example of institutional racism I've seen on mumsnet. Congratulations Hmm

"We all bleed red" ... yes. However we don't all have white skin, white hair type, we aren't all free from worry about if our child misbehaves will they get treated the same as their peers at school and by the police, we don't all have the same equality of opportunity in our careers and in society, we're not all just as likely to be believed innocent until proven guilty, and a whole host of other things.

There ARE differences between white experiences and black experiences in life. The very fact that a great many posters on here are denying somebody else's experiences is part of the problem.

A space for black topics takes absolutely NOTHING away from white people. It is being requested by black people, so it's absolutely not being forced on A.N.Y.B.O.D.Y. If you don't like it, you don't have to visit it. But keep your flipping complaints out of it because it's not about us white people.[/quote]
Thank you. I think that's a sensible way to approach it!

OP posts:
Quaagars · 10/09/2020 19:39

Well, I was told to be quiet as I am white

Surely that depends on what you said though?
Context?
Didn't see what you put but if it was along the lines of some of the replies on here can see why that might have been said - as it wouldn't be a board or topics that affected you, would it so can see why someone might think "sit down" if so

Soulstirring · 10/09/2020 19:39

@WiserOlder not rocket science at all. I appreciate your point completely and know I experience something different to the person next to me, whether that be due to race or religion or simply because we are all different!

My point is that whilst I completely agree there are differences and should be differences, in my simple and positive mind I believe by sharing our experiences we create understanding rather than division. Saddens me.

PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 19:40

[quote Schoolsout2]@PatricksRum I think maybe multicultural sounds like a better term and more inviting.[/quote]
I don't care what sounds inviting. This is for us.

OP posts:
LockedInMadness · 10/09/2020 19:40

Do you think it is important for their to be a black moderator or similar?
Perhaps a black mumsnetter helping to set the section up.

Got anyone in mind, OP? 😂

BadBanana · 10/09/2020 19:40

I’m not angry about it, just saddens me a bit if I’m honest. If it does happen I won’t use it. I doubt many would at all.

Why should we segregate ourselves?

EarringsandLipstick · 10/09/2020 19:40

OP, well done on remaining so calm, polite and professional

😳😳😳

Are you reading the same thread as I am?

PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 19:41

@PicsInRed

This thread Hmm

OP, well done on remaining so calm, polite and professional in the face of such outrageous, and willful provocation and the rages of the apparently unhinged. Your threads have highlighted the need nicely.

Thank you pics. Thanks

I'm getting to that point now.

My other threads were invaded by earrings and lipstick. I won't have these going the same. Ignorance is bliss on both sides.

OP posts:
YgritteSnow · 10/09/2020 19:42

White fragility. The phrase coined by a white author who is being criticised and discredited all over by people of colour? The white author who pins her feelings of racism onto all white people and runs seminars charging $1000s - depending which ticket you buy - to teach white people how not to be racist. I've said it before and I will say it again, that white Woman sure is making a lot of $$$ out of black peoples oppression.

Everyone who is aggressive, dismissive and rude is taken to task on here, it is not the preserve of any one colour or creed

This.

What I’ve always found lovely about mumsnet is that we can come together with others over common ground like politics, parenting and beauty, and also debate those things. And race never has to come in to it.

And this.

However. I still think that the idea for the board is a good one for reasons explained before and quoted previously and i hope one is set up.

Schoolsout2 · 10/09/2020 19:42

@PatricksRum ahhh ok your probably right I’ve never seen it.

I’d be happy to follow what ever the title.

SciFiScream · 10/09/2020 19:42

I think the OPs idea has so much worth.

I'm white. I have black and south Asian relatives. Some pass as white. Those that don't experience racism.

I completely support your idea and the fact that some people don't understand the need for it is, in my mind, proof that we need it.

Black parenting has to be different. I saw a video (fiction but based on fact) about the talk black parents have with their children when they go out. It's completely different from the talk that white parents have.

We have to accept that we (white people) don't know, what we don't know!!!

Good luck OP.

PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 19:42

@MargotsBumpyNight

A lot of racists outing themselves here and a fucktonne of tone policing.

Glad you are running with this OP. A black moderator is definitely needed.

I'm white so feel free to ignore but maybe a Black pregnancy section? As Black people are already so disadvantaged in their care.

I have no issue with any contributions from any race Wink

Pregnancy as well, good idea. I think that would tie in with mental health also. The way I was viewed in my pregnancy due to my skin colour and mental health was unbelievable.

OP posts:
Coolhand2 · 10/09/2020 19:43

I think it could be general, being in a foreign country can be challenging, especially with hair, not knowing where to go.

PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 19:44

[quote Schoolsout2]@PatricksRum ahhh ok your probably right I’ve never seen it.

I’d be happy to follow what ever the title.[/quote]
I hadn't heard of it either till these threads.

Multicultural families it's called.

But very broad really.

It could be an English and Irish family.

OP posts:
EarringsandLipstick · 10/09/2020 19:45

My other threads were invaded by earrings and lipstick. I won't have these going the same. Ignorance is bliss on both sides.

What? I didn't post on last night's thread at all.

I was one of the posters on previous threads in a different topic - I didn't 'invade' them. I posted. Like other posters.

You were rude and nasty to me there, and to other posters. You were aggressive & insulting about ethnic groups you knew little to nothing about & refused to accept points made in good faith by those of us who did.

I cannot get over that MNHQ can continue to allow this poster to make wild claims about specific people & do nothing.

MargeryBenson · 10/09/2020 19:47

@EarringsandLipstick I agree with you