Dear black people of mumsnet

[PatricksRum]

Ideas for a black section on mumsnet.

Should we have separate sections i.e black hair and beauty, black parenting, black cooking or a general black section?

Link to previous

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4018383-black-section-on-mn

There really is no prospect of having anything resembling a reasonable discussion with you, is there?
Reasonable people have reasonable discussions. I've had many on this thread. Think why you aren't one of those.

Unlike in many parts of the world, here in the UK we have freedom of speech,
I'm fully aware, thank you. I'm black and live in the UK. Crazy, right?

*and I'm sure that we are all grateful for that privilege. We are all entitled to an opinion, which you have admirably demonstrated. A discussion about that opinion doesn't have to be a disagreement - it can be a mutually beneficial exchanging of views, following which both parties can agree, or agree to disagree. But of course some people are only ever interested in their own opinion.

I don't need support from white people. One of the posters upthread said exactly the opposite. I am referring to the post at 23.45 yesterday by @anewdispensation to whom I was addressing my original reply. Perhaps their stance is subtly different from yours.
Sorry so you think all black people have the sane opinion?
So if I said I don't need support from white people then all black people must think the same?

[quote Venicelover]**@elppaenipBut that doesn't matter to you, does it? Because all you want to do is demand that we shut up. Like I said before, you can't have it both ways. If you want white people to support you more, then why don't you think about how that could be achieved? Because berating those of us who are doing our best is not going to get you anywhere, is it?

I agree, it is not so much what is said as how it is said. Rude, just rude. Not about race, colour or creed, just simple rudeness for the sake of it under the guise of everyone else being the enemy. We really aren't, but you approach other posters in that way all the time.[/quote]
I'm not watering anything down.
It is how it is.
The reason you find it rude is because you're deeply uncomfortable with accepting your privilege and accepting how white people have treated us.

@JustAnotherPoster00

Unlike in many parts of the world, here in the UK we have freedom of speech

Please show me the legislation or act of parliament that says this, freedom of speech is an american principle, most often quoted in 2020 by racists who want freedom from consequences of what they say

Patricks as a white person I support you fully, and will hopefully learn more about the struggles Black and other POC experience in Britain on a probably daily basis whether through blatant racism or in micro aggression form

Thank you so much.

@EchoCardioGran

Have you agreed what the new section will be called yet? Or is there a list of suggestions?

Do you know how I can create a poll?

strawpoll.com/fr4juk62w

OP every time you start one if these threads you get shit.

Anyway regarding the black section it should just be one board for black mumsnetters. Then if there are loads of threads on one topic then a board should be set up for that particular topic.

Due to the amount of racism on the threads you or other black mumsnetters start, I would suggest it is hidden away under another section. People would know it's there but it isn't so obvious, otherwise moderating it will become a nightmare, and it would have to be hidden (like these threads) when the Mumsnet moderation team isn't working.

Black Matters?

Please do not come here to police our tone. That is blatantly racist. Again if you support is predicated on how "politely we ask" then we never had it and we don't need it. That is okay. Please go and start your own thread to froth about how "uppity" we are or complain to MN. Just leave us in peace please to continue our planning. FFS

Patrick I'm not the one to organise a poll. I'm still struggling with the electric tin opener and the marrowfat peas from last night.
I see you have it in hand though.

On no other board would it be considered not rude to tell another poster to sit down and shut up or to fuck off.

No one would say that's assertive on any other board.

As for the bit about all white people being responsible for the acts of some white people - err, no. I'm no more responsible for the crimes committed by another white person than black people are responsible for the crimes committed by a black person.

I want an eye roll emoji.
As there is a whole lot of misquoting going on.
( to misquote Little Richard)

I think a black section would be divisive. Internet forums are anonymous, so people can post without replies to their posts being influenced by the perception of the person who replies. For instance, if I say, I am black, then I may get a more aggressive answer to my post by someone who is racist.
Therefore it is better to keep anonymity. I read about an experiment on an online shopping site. When a purse was advertised with a white hand holding it, there were twice as many purchases as when the same purse was advertised being held by a black hand. People can be unconsciously racist.

RTFT BEFORE YOU COMMENT. FFS

Noted Zany.
No adverts holding purses should solve that little problem.

Not divisive, more like inclusive,
Great news on getting one, great job OP

Some of this is so eerily similar to the stuff that was posted on the feminism board years ago that you’d think there was a Handbook. I think the Special Needs board had similar. Recurring themes include:

You’re not doing it right - you need to make an effort not to alienate people, you’re being aggressive and putting people off instead of winning people over
You need to explain it better - justify, to my satisfaction, exactly why X is a problem
It’s your job to educate me - I have popped into the middle of your conversation but I’m not willing to make any effort to read up on what you’re talking about.

I find it very hard to believe these posters are just curious people looking to learn. None of them have rocked up to the fish keeping board and asked, “Why do you bother?”

AuntyPasta

And look what happens now when people post those topics onto the main boards, particularly feminist posts on AIBU - many posters rush to tell them that they have a specific board available on which to post so kindly move their post there.

@EDSGFC

AuntyPasta

And look what happens now when people post those topics onto the main boards, particularly feminist posts on AIBU - many posters rush to tell them that they have a specific board available on which to post so kindly move their post there.

Yes but not because they do t want to see the post. Because they know the person will get better support in a relevant place.

Did you even see what happened in the links I posted? Poor woman asking for help with her Afro hair and being told to bog off to google. At least in your scenario they're allowed to stay on the site

"Do you know how I can create a poll?"

@PatricksRum no idea on MN specifically, but you can create one on a site and post the link here for us all to take part: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/mp/online-polls/

Be careful not to add an option that says "don't create the space at all", you seem to have accidentally done that on all your other threads

And then I saw the straw poll. Sorry I'm not feeling very well today!

Yes but not because they do t want to see the post. Because they know the person will get better support in a relevant place.

It really isn't. Certainly not for the feminist posts. I've seen responses to those posted on AIBU and it's along the lines of "I've hidden the feminist board for a reason. Please keep your thoughts over there". Similar to when people were posting about Covid or Brexit in places other than the main board. It's a case of move these away so we don't have to see them rather than sign posting to more support.

How have people read through a thread filled with comment after comment from white people showing their support, and being told thank you, and then come to the conclusion that all white people on the thread are being told to shut up?

The only white people that I want to see shut up are the ones who won't stop blithering on about "what a terrible idea this all is". After seeing responses to that exact same thing up thread and then pretending not to have seen it Or some continuing to push it after being asked to stop. When it's clear from the title of the post let alone the OP that we are doing this.

It's almost as though some people are hoping for an outrageous, emotional, aggressive outburst . The words fuck off and shut up are frequently seen on MN. You're not going to see anybody make a spectacle of themselves here - other than the ones that are embarrassing themselves by carrying on and flogging a dead horse.

@EDSGFC here you go:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3342628-afro-black-hair

We're already told to go elsewhere. Just away from Mumsnet.

[quote AMemeByAnyOtherName]@EDSGFC here you go:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3342628-afro-black-hair

We're already told to go elsewhere. Just away from Mumsnet. [/quote]
The link is broken.

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