Could you explain the deletions for calling out racism please?

[paxillin]

Some, but not all perhaps harshly worded, but how else do you say racism is shit? I am talking about the deletions on the thread about the golliwog mugs.

Yes, there is a reason many MM threads get deleted. I do not envy the HQers on shift on wedding day.

The threads about MM are very weird. There's been plenty about Kate in recent years but they tend to focus on her being workshy or wearing frumpy clothes.

Some of the comments on Meghan threads are very personal and vitriolic - she "hasn't got the right look" for the royals (ie she's black?), she's fake (because posters here know her personally?), her eyes are too close together (WTF?), she's an actress (newsflash: it's the 21st century, not the 19th and actress is no longer a shameful job) etc etc.

I've seen the same level of vitriol on threads about say, Diane Abbott (which you never see on threads about the PM) or Serena Williams. It's extraordinarily personal and I can't help but think racism (whether conscious or unconscious) has something to do with it.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of dog whistle racism.

I agree, Jamie. I do think that some people genuinely don't think they're being racist- it's so ingrained. Diane Abbot is a fascinating case. A highly educated, high achieving black woman who's had sex with white men. There is always a faint subtext that she is "uppity" whenever she is criticised. However justified those criticisms might be.

I've got American friends who know very little about the royals. They know who they are of course but wouldn't be able to tell you the names of the Cambridge kids or what Harry does.

Yeah "racism agenda" is a bit like "playing the racist card". Phrases used by people who've never experienced racism and aren't willing to listen to POC.

Your comments on the MM thread weren't actually the ones I was referring to as racist so there was no need to get so defensive.

There is always a faint subtext that she is "uppity" whenever she is criticised

That's exactly it BertrandRussell, there's always a whiff of "she's getting above herself".

“May got far worse comments about her appearance, posture and voice. Abbott's was all due to her crap interviews.”

If you genuinely think that May has had worse criticism than Abbott you must be watching/reading a different media than I am.

And if we’re talking crap interviews, Boris Johnston is in a different league to Abbott- and all he gets is indulgent head shakes.

Ha I always wondered that too. The number of times I have seen 'threw a paddy' on this site and never once deleted. I've always wondered why this term is deemed perfectly fine to use when clearly it is a derogatory term towards Irish people. There would be uproar if it was a black, Muslim or Asian slur. But sure the Irish won't mind they are probably too pissed or having too much craic to notice or care.

One of the worst comments I've seen on here about Diane Abbott was that she was "strutting around like the typist who has been sleeping with the boss".

Way to denigrate the first black woman to become an MP

Queen maybe I’m naive but I dont see that comment as racist and given that she has in the past had a sexual relationship with Corbyn and seems to be unassailable in the Labour Party despite several high profile cock ups that seems a fair assessment to me.
I think Diane Abbott is useless but that is entirely unrelated to her skin colour.
I do admire the fact that she is the first female black MP though

@SophieMumsnet

Thank you for picking this up. The fact is I don't need an individual mail if I see a report responded to on thread.

That thread remains full of people repeating lazy disablist stereotypes and tabloid propaganda. There are still people claiming the disabled fake it because $RANDOM says so.

Meanwhile people challenging the bigotry are deleted. The words "fuck off" can be found left standing in many posts on site and you can automoderate if its really that serious. That does send a clear message .

"fuck off" has never made my life worse - being told to fuck off when asking for a seat on a bouncy tube indicates they had no intention of letting me sit anyway. Being told to fuck off when I fall against them on said bouncy tube isn't an issue either. On line it barely registers.

Repeating and implicitly reinforcing bigoted propaganda of any kind does make lives worth. Like many people I noticed a step change in attitudes toward me within weeks of the 2010 election and the IDS campaign against the "lazy scrounging disabled fakers". The same happened after those lovely propaganda vans about sending [brown] people "back home".

That propaganda, those tropes, do damage peoples lives in a way that no "fuck off" could ever hope to.

I wonder who Boris Johnston has slept with...........

Because his gaffes make Abbott’s pale into insignificance and he also appears unassailable in his party.

But he is a white man.........

They are the most famous family in the world

I think you will find the average non Brit knows more about the Kardashians. Its a very Brit-centric view to assume the rest of the world is as obsessed with the Royals as the tabloid press here.

But he is a white man.........

White, male and upper middle. Three massive areas by comparison with the working glass black girl from Harrow who made it to Cambridge.

Yeah "racism agenda" is a bit like "playing the racist card". Phrases used by people who've never experienced racism and aren't willing to listen to POC

Well to be fair, they listen when PoC say the same thing and can be cited as "NOTALL"

The ethnocentric “most famous family in the world” comment is telling.

i do have to say that the idea on mn deleting post with "threw a paddy "in them is asking a bit much, they allow the use of moron and cretin, as posters say thy have no modern day link to disability. I assume the same with paddy.

Paddy is still a derogatory term used for Irish people Samcro

moron and cretin are not good either.....that was my point. they don't delete them, so can't see it happening for paddy..