New sub-section please?

[RatRolyPoly]

Hello MNHQ, may I gently put forward the idea of a new Libfem sub-section please? I don't know if the idea has been floated before so I'm not sure what appetite there would be for it, if any at all, but in the interests of feminism being accessible to all women and for the benefit of all women I'd like to raise my hand in favour.

By "all women" I primarily mean women such as myself, who would appreciate a section on Mumsnet to discuss feminist and women's issues without what is serving to all intents and purposes as "entry criteria" on the existing board; that being the obligation to deny the legally recognised genders of a group of individuals - contrary to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

This situation, I believe, has become the case due to prevalence of a certain brand of feminism having become overrepresented on this board, but serves the purpose of excluding and silencing the valid views of many women and feminists.

I'm not attempting in any way to discredit or silence the position of this current majority, merely to suggest that a specific board is needed to enable the voices of liberal feminists to be heard; not least by each other, in order to discuss the ongoing struggles faced by women in today's society.

Cheers.

I'd also like to know where.

My personal opinion is that some people (whether that includes the op or not, I don't know) want an anti-gender-critical board, and I'm glad to see mnhq are holding out against that.

”I didn't at any time stipulate "not trans", in fact I went out of my way to say it wasn't "not trans", but yes I do accept that MNHQ came to that conclusion”

So how about you help us understand what you are actually aiming for? Why is it so hard if it’s so clear in your head?

See, that's always the answer.

Either: I've said it before so you should know my stance (and no I'm not going to say where I said it);

Or: I didn't read your comment/see your question and I have a busy life so I'm off to live it and can't possibly answer.

The only conclusion I can come to is that either the op has no idea what she thinks, or she knows damn well but is obfuscating deliberately. Which begs the question, why?

It's really weird.

My personal opinion is that some people (whether that includes the op or not, I don't know) want an anti-gender-critical board, and I'm glad to see mnhq are holding out against that.

I agree with you there, and there are many more besides who just want a "gender free zone".

I'm afraid the moment has passed for me to do that Beyond; I had the chance to put my case, I did, and it didn't translate. That's okay. Now I'm off to engage in other threads :)

It's really not that weird Maryz.

Buuuuut where is there left to go with this?

That makes a change. All the domestic tasks done then?

A thread has been started - just popping it here in case anyone is interested but missed it:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3161697-Can-we-talk-about-liberal-feminism

Thank you Helen!!

Can I nominate this as the most pointless thread ever? And by heaven’s there’s been some competition!

Ugh, I'd have to ask why you'd suggest that Bertrand although I suspect I know the answer. Bully for you.

Thank you, MNHQ. It really boils down to this for me we've thus far avoided having subtopics for people who hold a specific set of views or beliefs

That's fair Nautical. And it does indeed bear true.

I agree with this. I asked a sincere question on one of the millions of "we hate trans" threads and was spoken to very rudely. I was only trying to educate myself on the issue being discussed. I feel like the feminism chat is a cliquey-bitch fest.

1. there are no “we hate trans” threads- any that are deemed to be are rightly deleted.
2. did you ask your question on a thread that was deleted? It doesn’t seem to be there now.

Youcan I didn't at any time stipulate "not trans", in fact I went out of my way to say it wasn't "not trans",

But you have not said what it is- or at least not in a way that enables me to picture the discussions there or how they would be different from discussions on other boards.

You have made several analogies two of which just don't make sense to me and the third one comparing LibFems with an often marginalised and discriminated against group is frankly inappropriatet.

This point:
we've thus far avoided having subtopics for people who hold a specific set of views or beliefs
from MNHQ is a key point for me. If boards are based on sets of beliefs then they cease to be discussions.

'I feel like the feminism chat is a cliquey-bitch fest.'
It really is not.
I've barely posted on it until recently - had a 3-year-ish break from it.
I've not experienced different treatment than I experience anywhere else on MN.
I don't recognise anyone really although maybe I might if I knew old posting names.
It's just a place to talk about stuff.
If you don't like how people are treating you on one thread, start another one.

Are you sure it was on feminism chat, hungry? There's been some trans threads in AIBU etc as well.

I've just had a quick look at feminism chat. I would say 90% of the threads are trans related. I am honestly surprised how people keep track of them and what they have posted on.

I wish hungryhenry would cone back.

From what I've seen, shouting down = asked actual questions about their views that they can't seem to answer without saying "why can't we just be nice"

Yes, this is what i see too

Also 'piling on' = a few members having the opposite opinion and stating that, or again asking questions.

we've thus far avoided having subtopics for people who hold a specific set of views or beliefs

Not really true, though, is it, MN? You've recently taken it on yourselves to hide away a thread about the use of "could of" in Pedants' Corner. So apparently that's one set of views or beliefs that you think should have a separate subtopic.