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Word of advice to MNHQ #2

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BackieJerkhart · 25/08/2017 18:29

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Valuedopinion · 26/08/2017 00:19
  • think mnhq have struggled for a long time to find a policy which supports posters and does not tolerate disablist post but which tolerates discussion around difficult topics

I have some sympathy with them on that too.

Us parents with dc with disabilities don't always agree either and are not a homogenous group.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 26/08/2017 00:21

Do we actually know how many regulars have gone?

I think there maybe a discrepancy between those that say they have gone and those that have just name changed tbh.

Salmotrutta · 26/08/2017 00:21

You know what?

I'm not a "well known poster" or "MN Royalty" but I've been on here for a good few years and I'm actually really pissed off about all these banning/suspensions etc.

I'll admit I've had posts deleted and I think I was even warned about banning/suspension years ago (I may even have been suspended but I can't remember because I dont care much about that shite) but I'm not sly or creepy.

At least I can live with myself.

Others on here? I doubt they care but some of them are plainly snide and vindictive.

I'm glad I'm not them.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 26/08/2017 00:21

Us parents with dc with disabilities don't always agree either and are not a homogenous group

I'd agree too.

DixieNormas · 26/08/2017 00:24

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ibbleobbleblackbubble · 26/08/2017 00:26

I'm intrigued at the idea of a mumsnet police car
what would it look like, would there be a siren and blue lights?

DixieNormas · 26/08/2017 00:28

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Pagwatch · 26/08/2017 00:36

I completely agree too - moderating around issues such as disability and sn is a nightmare but for me that's why their trolling policy is a bit pants.
Once a week some cunt posts about wheelchairs on buses. And utter bellends will trot out utterly ridiculous shite about 'being disabled doesn't men you shouldn't have to wait'

Of course there are bellends out their entitled to that thick, illinformed

opinion but the fact that their right to post stuff anonymously is viewed as equal to the rights of longstanding posters not to have to argue this bigoted small minded stuff relentlessly gets hard to bear.
Especially when the people getting deleted the the ones saying 'don't be a small minded bigot' rather than the actual small minded bigot.

It gets tiring
It's the whole Trumpism - there are two sides. Sometime there aren't, there's just one fucking bigot.

That feeling of defensiveness, of being ignored and dismissed, especially when this is your entire life experience, seeps into other situations and other threads. It's all quite sad.

Pagwatch · 26/08/2017 00:38

Not sure that made sense but it why I think a bunch of posters from the sn boards have gone. So user1234567 can complain about her buggy not folding easily

Salmotrutta · 26/08/2017 00:41

I would "upvote" that Pagwatch if I could Smile

Valuedopinion · 26/08/2017 00:44

They should ban those pushchair on bus threads, I support a dictatorship on that. Although I read the same nasty crap online all the time elsewhere.

Valuedopinion · 26/08/2017 00:46

But... I don't frequent the SN boards anymore because I did not agree with some of the more vocal posters on a couple of things. I didn't want to argue, so I left.

Been here 14 years, name change a lot now.

DixieNormas · 26/08/2017 00:49

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Salmotrutta · 26/08/2017 00:57

Maybe MNHQ should have a separate board called Ignorant Arseholes.

Because I'm seeing a lot of them on MN nowadays.

I'll admit - MN taught me a lot but it was robust good humour.

Nowadays nobody is able to teach the ignoramuses because they are being shut down.

Nasty little types running to complain to MN because a poster with actual experience of additional needs dared to challenge them.

Possibly that poster challenged them robustly. I'd fucking challenge them robustly if it was me!

There are some total arse holes on this site nowadays.

"Oooh, I got on a bus and my pram took up 4 spaces. But I had two toddlers and baby twins. Surely the man in the wheelchair should just have waited for the next bus??"

Hmm
sobeyondthehills · 26/08/2017 01:10

what should be stopped and maybe educated on is the "fun" trolls. There is no such thing as a fun troll, because once they get the attention they feel is earned, they come back to try and get the same hit. Except they need to keep upping it.

One moment they are trolling on a frozen cake the next they are doing a cancer thread

fruitbats · 26/08/2017 01:19

I agree Salmo. What is the the answer?nI'll be buggered if I know.

Salmotrutta · 26/08/2017 01:43

Ah, the "fun trolls"

With the never-fucking- ending threadstnat go on for pages and pages?

With the Oh So Hilarious Suggestions about how they should sew prawns in the curtain seams/let their tyres down/wet the carpet outside their door (that was an actual suggestion in the upstairs shagging boyfriend thread but I just plucked it out of the air) etc. Etc.

Are posters really that ridiculous? If they are it's embarrassing.

Have they no real wit?

And I mean wit in the true sense - intelligence.

No intelligent person would run about like a demented idiot destroying their OHs stuff or playing ridiculous pranks to get revenge!

Or, if they did, then I'd actually judge their intelligence and find it wanting.
I find the gleeful, baying mob on MN multiple threads to be ridiculous - see CFN as an example.

I admit to posting sometimes but after a cerstin point I think "WTF?" and slink away.

Salmotrutta · 26/08/2017 01:52

Oh, and for the record...

I saw several people on a thread yesterday (or the day before) castigating an OP for bumping their own thread.

Why the hell shouldnt they??

I can't remember what the thread was but I was actually quite pissed off with the posters saying "Why are you bumping your own thread" - like a lot of fucking stupid Head Girl types.

How dare they.

Who made them MNHQ?

sobeyondthehills · 26/08/2017 02:52

Salmotrutta

Don't knock people who become involved in those threads, there is no difference if you invest your time in those threads then you invest your time in any other thread.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 26/08/2017 07:09

So what do we do to change things?

Polter · 26/08/2017 08:02

I posted this on at least one of the deleted threads and can't be arsed to re-type it, but it's still relevant (and I'm gonna keep saying it).

Word of advice to MNHQ #2
MirabelleTree · 26/08/2017 08:03

So what do we do to change things? that's the million dollar question, and with MN as big as it is now, although not dollars it is a site worth millions and part of the reason why things have changed as the financial stakes for those at the top have changed.

This is all a bit of a mess at the moment and I'm on the fence here. I think some people haven't behaved particularly well but understand it has come from feelings of huge frustration and anger with MNHQ . And I get it must have been upsetting for Justine to see the coackroach or whatever insect it meme on Reddit and feel it was the last straw.

Over the years I've seen Justine keep her cool on many occasions I would have lost mine but her Achilles heel appears to be other forums. Mumsonline turned into a thing, MoldieGate wouldn't have happened in the way it did if she hadn't brought it up and now Reddit has kicked things off again with a blurring of the boundaries between MN and Reddit. I think she is understandably protective over MN as it's something she is so heavily invested in emotionally and financially but sometimes some things best left alone.

MN have decided to make changes to how they are going to moderate and will ditch the auto response thing which I think will help. But I think they do need to take on board the anger that so many people are expressing about feeling like being a product. The reality is we are and I personally don't mind and use MN in a way that works for me but I do understand why people are upset to see regulars banned and there have been very mixed messages re reporting trolls etc which have all addded into to where we are now.

The problem with AIBU is that the fight club attitudes that are seen spreads over to the other boards and whereas Chat used to be a fair bit softer it often feels like AIBU by extension. There are ongoing issues with moderating tricky subjects as Pagwatch said above and those are going to be incredibly difficult to solve but do need to be talked about.

I also think it's unconsciously become a bit of a thing recently in society to be on one side or another. Always been there but never as overtly as it has been now and that will spill over onto online forums.

That'll quite long and I don't think it helps much but is how I see things after only one morning cuppa. Lots of bad feeling last night and I hope things can move on today but it's the weekend so I guess they won't. That is definitely something that needs dealing with. The Nightwatch is not appropriate for a site this size and income and there needs to be more weekend staff.

Oblomov17 · 26/08/2017 08:47

Agree with Polter and Tree.
Change is needed.
Harder said than done.

AlternativeTentacle · 26/08/2017 08:55

The problem is, and always will be - this was set up for quality and when you start using it to gain income, that changes for quantity. The more clicks the better. But then people still think it is a support site. Which is isn't. It is for clickbait. To generate income. That is all.

MNHQ cannot pretend it is a support site, when the only reason that the big gun/s come on here is basically to try to calm the waters before posting about their new book that is out [that references but doesn't give any income to the people whose quotes are used...hmm].

I remember when I started blogging, in my niche I had a good audience, national 'stars' in that niche would tweet my posts, and google kept trying to sell me clicky links. But then what happens is you see some income, and then look at what got that income and you try to post drivel that increases that income. So I didn't do it. I wanted my blog to be quality, not about posting shite to get me £.

Quality or quantity. Every forum/blog that starts with the clicky links changes once the money starts to come in.

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 26/08/2017 09:04

So many good posts this morning, too many to agree individually!

Big yes to what polter said about posting in aibu vs the right area though. I posted a (non urgent) thread in health a few weeks ago, and it took about seven bumps for one response! I can certainly see why everyone takes their chances at the fight club when they actually need a response.

Personally I wonder if there would be any benefit to a gransnet kind of situation - keep aibu but under a separate site.
Would be nice to have a sn/disability haven too, but I doubt that would happen as (while we are not a homogenous group) one thing I imagine most of us would come under is "unprofitable".
Maybe if all the twats were on the aibu site and the rest required separate registration, it might keep the twats in one area though?