MNHQ - please can you clarify your policy on fraud?

[justanothernameagain]

THREAD ON GENERAL FRAUD - please do not delete.

If someone is accused of committing fraud via MN, by several MNers.
If said MNers have a load of evidence they would like to share with you.

Do you see it as your role to investigate and forward to the police?

Or do you just want to get the site "back to normal" and take a hands off approach?

@katemumsnet please can you clarify?

Loads of posts have been deleted. I don't remember anything too terrible and mine was in support of MNHQ. It's all very odd.

mine said MNHQ should take a relook at their systems

^ Did they all have a name in? I noticed HQ were using Poster X so have gone with that.

Mine didn't have a name, no. I said 'the poster'.

I had a pm at the wkend ( can't recall who from ) saying that they were concerned if the maleymail pick this up, can you imagine?
Think that MNHQ will be taking this very seriously but clearly won't want us to know all of the details.

Can you recover all your messages Zoflora and forward them to HQ?

I think any posts that reference failings at hq and things they should have done and asking why they didn't do xyz have been deleted.

Hq clearly don't want us to state certain elements of this publicly

I genuinely don't think I said anything that would warrant deletion. No names, and general wording. I think the answer may lie in MNHQ's posts about all being responsible for our words if someone wants to take it further etc. Which is interesting.

But my post was in support of MNHQ's approach.

I wonder why that was said....

"We also feel we'd be remiss if we didn't remind everyone that fraud is a very serious thing (obviously, sorry) - and that, when you post on a public forum you are legally responsible for your own words, should the person in question wish to take it further.

Generally, we're honestly trying to do the right thing in often cloudy circumstances - to balance the need to remind people to protect themselves, with the need not to impugn, without solid justification, the integrity of a possibly very vulnerable individual, for whom the consequences could be devastating."

That last sentence sounds very lawyered-up.

Seriously think they have taken legal advice and any posts that say hq should have done xyz are being deleted on the basis of that advice

X post with passive

Yes, of course, they would take legal advice. From a business point of view it would be negligent not to do so. I think their wording is actually to try and show care to MN users, in that they may have had threats of legal action if identifying details weren't taken down. I don't think they want to see anyone get into legal trouble over this.

I thought the usual legal route was to contact the poster and give them the choice to take their comment down. That way MN are not liable if a poster wishes to stick by their words

Yes but those deleted posts were different.

They said that hq knew xyz thing abc months ago and why hadn't they done such and such.

And if I was their lawyer I'd want those down in this situation too

There will be no answers, it seems. Just deletions and bans.

I don't blame MNHQ for self-preservation, but it would be good to see some changes as a result of this whole travesty, notably in the "no troll hunting" policy.

Zoflora* - yes, you can definitely retrieve messages if you just took Whatsapp off your phone - not sure if you can if you actually deleted the messages.

Click on option to restore if you have taken off phone and need to put back on.

I've since been warned off MN by him.

Zoflo did you ask MNHQ what they meant by that!

You're right, mychild. But I was surprised last night to see legal action bandied about when to my knowledge comments on social media have always been treated the way I described in the past.

This time is different. This time it isn't just posters saying something. There is potential for hq to be implicated in what went on in that there is a possibility they may have been negligent.

Bear in mind that there are people who are genuine too.... Please don't tar everyone with the same brush. I have been accused of being false to gain sympathy & money on here before and I truly wasn't at all. Really upset me

They are, as they've already stated, removing any posts that name names or refer directly to the situation in an identifiable or speculative way.

There's really no need for any more conspiracy theories.

I didn't name names and I didn't speculate in my deleted posts.

^^this will be to protect the bereaved family. Not your hurt feelz.