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MNHQ - please can you clarify your policy on fraud?

275 replies

justanothernameagain · 07/08/2017 15:01

THREAD ON GENERAL FRAUD - please do not delete.

If someone is accused of committing fraud via MN, by several MNers.
If said MNers have a load of evidence they would like to share with you.

Do you see it as your role to investigate and forward to the police?

Or do you just want to get the site "back to normal" and take a hands off approach?

@katemumsnet please can you clarify?

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WellErrr · 08/08/2017 12:40

There's a Reddit where they're agonising and speculating endlessly over it, naming the family etc, and also bitching about posters over here.

If that's what you're into.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/08/2017 12:43

if we had evidence that a fraud had taken place, we would certainly pass that on to the police. Unless and until we had that information we simply couldn't act; so we'd always ask people to get in touch if they had it

Surely there's a misconception here? Unless I'm mistaken, nobody needs "evidence" to report something to police in the first place ... what they need is a reasonable belief that a crime has taken place, so that the police can do their job of collecting evidence

Obviously they'll want to speak with the victim to assess what they have, but that's surely no bar to reporting a genuine suspicion that something's gone badly wrong?

justanothernameagain · 08/08/2017 12:47

flapjack I PMed you.

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Lynnm63 · 08/08/2017 12:56

Oh well quelle surprise message deleted, was it for not licking WellErr's arse or HQ's

HoneyDragon · 08/08/2017 12:57

can we bea little fairer with info, the Reddit threads were well linked in here and came about (with other fora) as a result of MNHQ saying this thread will stay open and be monitored and then deleted 30 minutes later, and some fold are simply using it to collate info. Don't tar all the posters on there with the same brush when it can be seen that the majority aren't bitching. A minority may be doing so.

This entire thread is the same it's entirely based on people dressing their speculation about one case as fact. On both sides. It's not exactly as a shower of glory for anyone any longer.

However I understand the motivation for the thread. MNHQ did legitimise the op/ops charity.

SOME posters feel duped as they only donated because of this. Abs then all the other info transpired. And because they are still feeling it it's not just going to magically blow over for them.

Sure bitter old harridans like myself don't bother with such threads because I'm a cynic .... but some people on here implicitly trust the moderators on this site. The moderators want them to keep on trusting them so communication probably does need to improve tenfold.

Lynnm63 · 08/08/2017 12:57

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NauticalDisaster · 08/08/2017 12:58

Those disparaging the Reddit seem to be overly invested in reading it Grin

HoneyDragon · 08/08/2017 13:01

''Tis all over Facebook too but no one seems interested in that one.

Lynnm63 · 08/08/2017 13:11

HQ would you mind telling me what guidelines I'm breaking, I have copies of my posts so if you'd care to explain, or are you bored and like the shiny button

CoolCarrie · 08/08/2017 13:13

Brilliant post Blingy.

NerrSnerr · 08/08/2017 13:15

Honey I'm guessing the discussions on FB are all in closed groups so most of us couldn't see that. I had a quick look on Reddit when it was linked on a previous thread. I might start a discussion on twitter to discuss the threads on Reddit that are about Mumsnet...

53rdWay · 08/08/2017 13:32

WellErr it's lovely that you're so compassionate about a possibly bereaved family and what you imagine their preferences to be. Possibly extend a bit of that compassion to other posters who've lost someone to similar diseases, and bought into this situation as a result, rather than eyerolling about their "hurt feelz" and wristslapping them for giving away phone numbers?

(And no, I'm not talking about me. But I have lost two relative to brain cancer (our family get all the sodding luck) and I totally understand how that grief could make you very vulnerable if you feel like you're supporting someone in a similar situation.)

HoneyDragon · 08/08/2017 13:42

NerrSnerr Grin and then a subreddit in Reddit to discuss the Reddit threads on Twitter? Grin

Vonklump · 08/08/2017 13:51

Woolly hugs scammers on wine and coke!

The "lawyered up" comments about defamation are worth taking seriously. In the distant past MN, and a particular poster, were taken to court over a post that was considered libellous. Apologies if you all already knew this.

HoneyDragon · 08/08/2017 14:11

Historically though MNHQ have always been good about indicating when it's legal that they are nixing you

WatcherOfTheNight · 08/08/2017 14:38

"Woolly hugs scammers on wine and coke"

Shit ! I knew I should've learnt to crochet....

justanothernameagain · 08/08/2017 18:37

watcherOfTheNight Grin

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Ceto · 08/08/2017 19:21

One of the main issues seems to be that Zoflora has not provided evidence. If she recovers the WhatsApp messages it will help to resolve matters.

Only1scoop · 08/08/2017 19:47

Ceto

It would help I agree

CallMeKate · 08/08/2017 20:56

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CallMeKate · 08/08/2017 21:18

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SoPassRemarkable · 08/08/2017 22:37

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Ceto · 08/08/2017 23:20

They're very sensitive about what Zoflora has alleged and that will presumably continue unless she provides evidence.

Jux · 09/08/2017 00:06

I did once send a poster some money. I did that knowing that she and her whole situation might be faked. I felt, however, that if her situation were true then I wanted to help financially and as I did have that money to spare (I'd been saving for something) then it was OK to give it.

I have no idea whether it just provided her with a curry and a load of beers. I like to think it helped her pay for a barrister, and that her need was greater than mine at that time.

I think MNHQ delete far too much as it is, and very often the wrong people. I tend to think that posts should not be deleted and threads should not be pulled. The only exceptions being conning posts/threads as has happened recently.

I think it is ridiculous to ban people from speaking of things that have happened on the boards. It is important that posters can discuss what happens to them, not just in real life, but also here. It is also a timely reminder for all of us that people here are not necessarily who they seem to be and to beware.

As MN gets bigger and bigger, there will be more people who are naive, challenged in some way, or vulnerable. They need to be able to read a thread where posters who have been taken in can talk of that experience. It happens here too, is the message, watch out and be careful.

That goes for all of us really. It is easy to forget that anyone here may be Dave the Hairy Handed Trucker at the other end of the screen' it is possible for old hands to be taken in too. Time reminders.

MN's modding is bewildering at present.

MargeryFenworthy · 09/08/2017 09:51

No doubt this will be deleted but weirdly I looked up Bellrooms on Facebook and found a post by a man whose initials were not DK sharing the Bellrooms page as an initiative that his wife had set up. Curiouser and curiouser.

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