What actually are your plans to deal with disablism on MN?

[JustAnothersilentorangenugget]

You remember you were going to impliment all kinds of things, Message which explained posts were deleted due to disablism, Emails to the posters, proactive buzzwords...

a year on what has been the result of this massive change in moderation?

Now i'm not suggesting this was a carrot, dangled to try and stop people leaving....
But we donkeys ARE getting a little tired of walking and woudl like to know what plans are there for the future to stop attacks.

Problem is I've had two RL disability hate incidents occur.
My local police dismissed both (most recent two weeks ago).
Being taken seriously doesn't happen.

BBA write to your local police commissioner. They have to investigate.

Even though they're citing lack of evidence?

It's not passive at all. They have responsibilities here too.

Hmm, it's a difficult one, because some of this is about protecting dds, too.

They are surely gatekeepers of their own site?

Not suggesting you shouldnt also report btw.

Not saying you shouldnt also report to police though

Sorry..double post.

I'd screen shot every report and do two things, the first is put in a formal complaint to MNHQ, the more of these they get the more chance there is that they will actually take notice, the second is report each to you local police force.

You can also bring this to the attention of Quentin Letts, He's a free lance jornalist quentinletts.co.uk/contact/ with an Autistic son. He writes for papers like the Mail, they love a good Mumsnet story.

I'd agree with giving HQ the chance to stop it first. If they can and you can bear it.

Hmm but what are the last 7+ years if not giving that chance?
I'm genuinely concerned my local police isn't taking hate crime seriously due to personal experience.

I mean the chance to stop these PMs happening in last 2 days, of course

I would always post abusive private messages on the thread and say who sent them.

Then everyone on that thread can see how pathetic, deluded, abusive and irrational the poster/sender really is.

If nothing else this thread has highlighted a disgusting side to Mumsnet which MNHQ like to pretend doesn't exist and bury their heads about.

To all putting up with this while HQ dismiss it.

Hi all

Thanks for all your posts and feedback. As YetAnotherBeckyMNHQ posted on Saturday, we really don't want to see disablism on Mumsnet and we remove posts and threads which break Talk Guidelines when they're reported to us.

We've got a 'three strikes' approach - so anyone who breaks guidelines repetitively for being disablist will be banned. If we delete a post for disablism, we email the poster to let them know why - often this means that they reconsider their language, and they can’t then plead ignorance. Reports about disablism are treated in the same way as other reports about discrimination or prejudice in any form; they're a high priority and we get to them as soon as we can.

Sometimes, on weekends for eg, the process can be a bit slower; it can also sometimes take a while to go through a long thread. Apologies if some of you felt that this was the case this weekend. We’ve now banned the user who was sending unpleasant DMs - and we’ll definitely look at the idea of not allowing DMs until a poster has been posting for a certain amount of time.

We think it's worth repeating, though, what JustineMumsnet's posted about our overall moderation policy a while back. Broadly it's this: Mumsnet has elected to be an open site, and while this brings with it many many advantages - breadth of advice; the fact that there's usually someone around to help; poor advice being challenged, amongst many others - it also means that we're going to encounter different views from our own. We've chosen to be on the side of free speech - JustineMumsnet talks more about why in her post - and that means being exposed to diverse, and sometimes unpleasant, opinions.

We try to get the balance right with disablism, and always delete personal attacks or posts which we think are malicious or deliberately intended to provoke. But we don’t delete every misinformed or misguided post - that would fundamentally undermine who we are. And overall, we do believe that the challenges made to these posts do more to shift the dial than blanket deletions or taking down the thread; we understand that some of you might have lost the stomach for pointing out where those posters are going wrong, but that's where we are.

Thanks very much for your input. We do think carefully about all this, and spend a lot of time weighing things up - that won’t stop, we promise.

do more to shift the dial than blanket deletions or taking down the thread;
Thank you but if you read through the thread, Nobody on this thread is asking for this. We are pointing out this isn't working.

In fact the thread that caused this one had people wanting it to stay up as a display of the site disablism.

No questions answered then.

I think those at HQ need to get their heads around the fact that we are not asking for blanket deletions, In fact in a lot of suggestions highlight the offending posts has been suggested to let people learn from them.
PLEASE LISTEN.

You are still not getting it. We don't want you to delete every single disablist post, we want you at HQ to openly help educate on threads. we want to to help us give information about attacks to the police.

We don't want hate speach downplayed.

Highlight all offending posts in a colour and posting on the thread in support making it clear why the posts were highlighted was a good suggestion, it shows the biggots.

we understand that some of you might have lost the stomach for pointing out where those posters are going wrong

it's so much more than "losing the stomach" though, it's being repeatedly driven away from a website we used to love and enjoy and get support from, and having to hide behind anonymous names and lose connections we had with others.

And if posters are "losing the stomach" or being driven away, or harassed, then it has ceased to become a site to support "all parents".