To Ask That MNHQ Treat ALL Posts/Posters/Campaigns Seeking To Derail & Hunt Out Any Form Of Bigotry, As They Do Troll Hunters

[RockinHippy]

The current trend has been a campaign to point out & completely derail threads with shouts of disabilsm, too often IMHO, unfounded.

Though I do feel a lot of empathy for the posters involved & know too well that disablism can exist. Plus I don't doubt they have difficult lives dealing with all that comes with DCs with SN, however I do feel what is happening currently on MN is way over the top, hypersensitive & does no one any favours, least of all the disabled & is IMHO comparable to "troll hunting" & feel it would improve many posters enjoyment of MN if MNHQ could treat this & any similarly bigot hunting posts/campaigns in the same way as they do Troll Hunters.

I should add, I am a disabled DM, of a disabled DC & as such I do not appreciate the current campaign as speaking for us all - not in my name thank you very much, its way OTT & quite frankly damaging & it has become very boring.

I have no intention if getting into any debates, I have seen enough posts to form the opinion that the inevitable stress & real life disabilist problems that can of course go hand in hand with raising DCs with SN can result in a warped perspective of others intentions. I also find it sad, that posters who should have far more empathy for people starting threads in difficult & stressful situations, might not actually word themselves very well & really don't need posters jumping down their throats for perceived bigotry that the rest of us do not see. Ive just left a thread with a prime example of that, where reference to a school looking out for "bad kids" was instantly taken to mean SN, rather than just troubled kids in all quises, very often without any SN at all, as has been our own experience with a similarly biased primary school. That is not disabilism, it is is simply a bad choice of words referring to disruptive & aggressive behaviour for a host of reasons.

I wont reply to any attacks on this post. I just think in the interest of keeping MN the welcoming, place where parents etc can ask for help & opinions related to a specific issue, that it is meant to be. That it might be helpful that all such campaigns & posts be treat in the same way as troll hunting & any grievances as regards any posting/threads be reported, rather than attacked in the frenzied & unhelpful way that seems to be happening too often of late.

Perhaps those of us who feel this way can let MNHQ know here...

Piglet can think what she likes, I'm not the one advocating thought control. Being as her view is that of the majority and they are hammering it home whilst ensuring the minority aren't able to discuss it I don't think being told that others think differently is a biggie, somehow.

Any form of discussion about bigotry to be treated as troll hunting. The very foundation of this thread. So deleting the minority.

Those who rock up on threads discussing disablism to goad, name call and derail to get them deleted. And no this week's wasn't the first one.

The accusation of 'shouting' 'screaming' and 'frothing' when disablism is even mentioned on a thread.

Professionally Offended.
SN Brigade.

Scuse the shorthand. Typed 2 long responses and app keeps glitching out.

Has it occurred to any of you that perhaps we're actually fed up by the MNHQ stance of leaving Disablist threads up in the name of 'education?'

This isn't annoyance at posters, this is annoyance, and long standing frustration at Disablism being treated differently by MNHQ than Racism.

If someone posted a thread about Gypsies, allowing people to express their long standing, ingrained prejudice, you can guarantee it would be deleted quicker that you can hit the report button.

Yet a thread about Autism.. like that one the other week when the man with SN kicked the posters dog, that stayed up, despite it being full of people speculating how that man shouldn't be out in society, what if it had been a child he kicked...etc, that stayed up for DAYS.

Do you not see the disparity?

That is ALL we want, to be treated fairly, for MNHQ to stop this bullshit of 'its educational' being an excuse to leave something that is blatantly disablist and discriminatory to remain on the boards.

Disabled people have a right to the same protection from being discussed like we're worthless as any of the other 'isms' covered by the EA.

If anyone posted about the 'SN brigade' I would be hugely pissed off and would report it. That would clearly be goady and not helpful to anyone.

I think Worra said what I'm thinking much better than I could.

I'm not denying some people can be a little... um, over-invested. I have probably crossed that line a couple of times, i try not to.. i think its one of those things that some days i'm more sensitive than others.

i want there to be debate and discussion, i want it to be polite.. unfortunately, i can only speak for myself and promise i will do my best to remain level headed and balanced as best i can.

I don't use mumsnet much (at all) but I've been rounded on too and the thread on challenging youngsters being homed I can see I was unreasonable but if this is a thread for explaining. I'd only come back after another, much more reasonable thread about the language surrounding disability in the summer, it was a few months ago anyway. There was a thread on mumsnet surrounding disability language again on mumsnet, apparently in wake of the Sally Phillips documentary. I was not involved in them and didn't read them. I posted on the site stuff disability thread in a positive manner I thought. I didn't attack anyone or was I nasty or anything. I then logged on the next day to see people despite being told a poster had misunderstood someone because of their disability it carried on. MNHQ didn't intervene.

It made me angry and emotional. I'm a human being.

I then logged onto an aibu post where I posted of my own experience regarding the building of a respite home. I think the thread might have been moving quickly or I was distracted but by the time I scrolled back after posting there were posts from people worried about their own adult children with sn experiences of residential care or worried they being a nuisance to their neighbours intertwined with posts saying I wouldn't want my own children exposed to 'them' and 'such people'. Reading it back people were just posting regarding the op but as I say, I don't use mn that often.

I wrote a very sarcastic post. I think sometimes it's a trait of those of from the black country to be sarcastic…I was rounded on. I actually think I was out of order, reading back, but whilst I posted a special school teacher posted she wouldn't want her child subjected to the children she taught (and yes she meant in her home as that makes it ....better?) . I called her a disgrace. I was too harsh at that point but I had seen red. I most probably should have and would have apologised but I was rounded on and she then went on to describe all the vulnerable people in her care and believe me if you have no experience, I could have identified my child had it been her and I don't want her being used as an example because safeguarding and confidentiality should protect her because she is extremely vulnerable as are the other people detailed in that post that still stands.

I'm a mother and an advocate for my extremely vulnerable almost adult child and I saw red and I can fully understand why others do too and I don't think it's anything to do with certain posters having big gobs or whatever, I think it's the whole mind set of the aibu board and mnhq not nipping things in the bud. I never called disabilism but as my disgrace post deleted I was blamed for it. I don't think I've ever been that controversial. But I was angry and I admit that and I should have just left it but I think the whole ganging up made me worse. I was abused by my dad and keep being called an embarrassment just triggered me and I don't really know what to say but if you can't understand the nuances that lead to people thinking oh it's going that way again, then maybe you aren't like me, but lots of people aren't.

I really think it's to do with mnhq not nipping things in the bud, not understanding the equality law (which used to be dda it's very detailed)

I understand why people get angry. This isn't a game :(

Owl that teacher is a disgrace for saying that about her pupils! Teachers should be advocates for integration in this day and age.

There is a fucking limit to any human beings calm when members of their family are being vilified for a disability.

That's the bit that made me see red tbh..

Owllady

I doubt there is a poster here who hasn't has an 'Oh fuck everyone right now' moment. I've had more than one actually so don't even worry about it.

That thread moved very and seemed to go from 0 to 60 in an instant.

I think tensions are super high right now and the Sally Phillips threads didn't help at all. When tensions are high people start taking things the wrong way.

That is one of the reasons some people with disabilities/carers are a little gun shy about posting, not because we are thin skinned ninnys - Were just not as confident about posting as other people are.

For me it's because I'm just not very eloquent, especially when I'm talking about my situation. Plus I'm naturally anxious due to my own disability. I don't want to be misunderstood and jumped on by anyone.

I know there are people who would tell me to wise up; it's just an online forum but you could say that about the majority of complaints on MN

Trust me if there are 'sides' I'm with you guys all the way. Disablism is denfinatly a problem on MN and has been for a long time.

Anyway I'm knackard and rambling - but honestly Owl fuck the fuckers and don't give it another thought.

To add to the bigger picture, I have been dealing directly with disability for over a decade now. Things are worse than ever.

There was always ignorance and a bit of foot in mouth but the last few years have been a societal shift. In order to justify austerity cuts and divert attention from corporate tax breaks the british government blatantly enrolled the press in an active hate mongering campaign. That campaign continues and as a direct result views which would in the past have occasionally cropped up on the comments section of the daily fail have become commonplace and more publicly voiced. MN used to be a bit safer, a wider audience and a resistance to tame click bait has resulted in our current situation. Initially a steady protest resulted in the TIMC campaign, a first step in the right direction - unfortunately the progress stopped there.

If you are wondering why the minority is not bigger it is because long standing posters are tired of hitting their heads off a brick wall in the name of fictional 'education' and leave or block the threads so not a fair representation of how the minority feel. It is happening so often now that there is a growing call for change - many voting with their feet.

Oh no Switzerland you're not allowed to say its like the Daily Mail comments, I've already been told off for that.

It's crap Dixie, isn't it?

Everything I want to say makes perfect sense in my head but comes out as a muddled mess in a post. I can't tell you how many times I have went to post something then deleted the whole thing.

They sound delightful. :o

My spag is atrocious and my spelling is shit. I have a special app that tries to correct it but I still use far to many commas.

I love commas.

FWIW you come across just fine to me.