To Ask That MNHQ Treat ALL Posts/Posters/Campaigns Seeking To Derail & Hunt Out Any Form Of Bigotry, As They Do Troll Hunters

[RockinHippy]

The current trend has been a campaign to point out & completely derail threads with shouts of disabilsm, too often IMHO, unfounded.

Though I do feel a lot of empathy for the posters involved & know too well that disablism can exist. Plus I don't doubt they have difficult lives dealing with all that comes with DCs with SN, however I do feel what is happening currently on MN is way over the top, hypersensitive & does no one any favours, least of all the disabled & is IMHO comparable to "troll hunting" & feel it would improve many posters enjoyment of MN if MNHQ could treat this & any similarly bigot hunting posts/campaigns in the same way as they do Troll Hunters.

I should add, I am a disabled DM, of a disabled DC & as such I do not appreciate the current campaign as speaking for us all - not in my name thank you very much, its way OTT & quite frankly damaging & it has become very boring.

I have no intention if getting into any debates, I have seen enough posts to form the opinion that the inevitable stress & real life disabilist problems that can of course go hand in hand with raising DCs with SN can result in a warped perspective of others intentions. I also find it sad, that posters who should have far more empathy for people starting threads in difficult & stressful situations, might not actually word themselves very well & really don't need posters jumping down their throats for perceived bigotry that the rest of us do not see. Ive just left a thread with a prime example of that, where reference to a school looking out for "bad kids" was instantly taken to mean SN, rather than just troubled kids in all quises, very often without any SN at all, as has been our own experience with a similarly biased primary school. That is not disabilism, it is is simply a bad choice of words referring to disruptive & aggressive behaviour for a host of reasons.

I wont reply to any attacks on this post. I just think in the interest of keeping MN the welcoming, place where parents etc can ask for help & opinions related to a specific issue, that it is meant to be. That it might be helpful that all such campaigns & posts be treat in the same way as troll hunting & any grievances as regards any posting/threads be reported, rather than attacked in the frenzied & unhelpful way that seems to be happening too often of late.

Perhaps those of us who feel this way can let MNHQ know here...

Bishop - what if it's an adult screaming, shouting obscenities and throwing stones at passing children? Without knowing whether or not they would/should/could be aware of their actions and consequences.

The guidelines can't be ignore until it turns into a bunfight and everyone is furious with one another? :(
That's not how pacifism works.

Being a member of a minority group/an oppressed class doesn't mean you are immune from the all pervasive and damaging (to the class of people though not always to all the individuals in that class) bigotry.

Polter, I agree with you there but it also works the other way. Like a person who decides SAHM's are anti-feminist because of their choice.

It is possible that people can take things too far.

I was called disablist yesterday for suggesting that - in my opinion - there is an element of looking for trouble going on.

No rhyme or reason for the accusation; just that poster was pissed off with what I had said so it was disablist.

That sort of crap doesn't help anyone.

There's no hive mind on either side, lots of shades of opinion and belief.

On the Sally Phillips thread, many posters with children with disabilities (in this case, Down Syndrome) were furious to have others imagine that their lives were difficult or problematic due to their child's disability. They were adamant that their child's disability creates no more difficulties than any parent would expect with a NT child.

That's obviously very personal to each poster's life and experience, but on most other threads, parents are frustrated by how little society at large recognises and acknowledges the challenges they face on a daily basis because of their child's disability.

Clearly there are massively differing views within the 'community', and so it's hard to know how to approach that when personal info is unknown.

If I express sympathy/ empathy/ understanding of how hard it might be, I could cause offence. Or if I don't. Unless I know the parent personally, the best policy is to keep it clamped. So that would mean most online interactions as I have no idea what people are dealing with in their own homes.

I agree those attitudes exist and are damaging.

But it is also just as damaging for those who think they know better to tell a SAHM she cannot be a feminist/she is sexist simply because she has a different view of things.

My view is that it goes to far sometime - That is not disablist but it's fine to call me it because there is nothing in the guidelines against it.

Where do we draw the line when it comes to using that word here?

That's up to MNHQ, their site, their rules.

''Instead they [MNHQ] let threads carry on far too long and let people antagonise each other from thread to thread @nd everyone becomes and defensive all over the shop.''

I guess it would be very cynical of me to think that leaving arguments up boosts reader numbers ...

I agree but HQ have always welcomed discussions/suggestions.

^ To Pumpkin.

You are absoloutely right OP. It's become utterly farcical. However, it does appear that MNHQ are no longer pandering to these posters which is some kind of progress I suppose.

Posters have a right challenge 'isms' on MN.

But I agree with the OP, about the deliberately goady misinterpretation. It seems just lately to go on, on almost every thread about disability. Or even threads that are not about disability but where people are being asked to consider that disability might be a possibility.

Add to that the often heavy sarcasm leveled against some posters and the twisting of posts, to make out they're thinking/saying something that they're clearly not and it's just tiresome.

It gets nobody anywhere. All it seems to do is upset and anger people.

Sure, give the deliberately disablist twats both barrels, but don't alienate other more reasoned posters by being a deliberately goady twat yourself.

I agree Worra but I fear ithat is a waste of time.

This has been mostly a good thread discussion wise I think.
I was trying to find words but Worra said it better.

It's never ok to be a twat, that's what the report button is for

But it's okay to passively aggressively call someone a twat?
Well you learn something new everyday

Where did I say that?