I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

That's good. FWiW it was good to discuss those issues with you in a civilised manner

Thanks. I am very wary now of contributing - given what happened - but I do think different voices should be heard.

I can see arguments for and against a trans topic - but personally, I just think MN should be 'serious' discussion and 'lighthearted' discussion - but that's a whole other topic in itself

I agree with the OP completely. If the EU referendum can have it's own topic, there's no reason why this can't.

The thing is, these threads aren't actually in the wrong place.

Chat is a general topic board, covering any subject.
AIBU is set up as the board for robust debate.
The recent flurry of posts in Site Stuff stem from requests for clarification following bans and deleted posts, which follows MNHQs preferred process.

Though this is repeatedly referred to as Trans issues, the thing that concerns most of us is the impact on women. If MNHQ set up a Trans board and insisted that that was the only place where people could post about eg the impact of new equality legislation on women's safety, then they would be sending a very clear message that women must yet again remove their voices, opinions and fears from the wider arena .

Brilliant post Inertia

I was like you and wandered on to a trans thread once where my eyes were opened to the issues and consequences of blindly following the "if they want to be women so much, why not just call them women?" line. That was me. Live and let live. MN opened my eyes to what is going on.
Personally I'd rather not keep opening up threads containing made up scenarios.

Inertia - Did you miss the part about there being a Brexit board?

When that was set up, did we all say "Oh no, MNHQ are marginalising women discussing Brexit (because btw, there aren't many other places with a primarily female online audience discussing it)"? No, we accepted that not every one wanted to read about it and got on with it.

Threads on MN are threads on MN, I don't see why one subject should be seen as so precious and special that it can't be treated like any other subject.

Brexit does not only affect women.

Trans issues ( the issues that are being discussed on mn) do only affect women.

IPity -I didn't miss it, I just don't agree that it's relevant to this discussion.

Mumsnet is marketed as a site which supports parents and is aimed primarily at women. There are very few mainstream arenas for debate on this topic; most places shut down anything which questions the agenda of TRAs, and anything unregulated often results in threats of harm, rape or death being made against women and their children. I had my eyes opened by one of the threads on here.

The Brexit debit is much less heavily censored , and there are far more outlets for the debate to take place.

And threads on MN are not compulsory. If you don't want to read them, then don't.

Yes she did jelly. Not a fan of irony?

Yep huge fan usually. This one passed me by though. My bad.

And threads on MN are not compulsory. If you don't want to read them, then don't.

I think we can all take that as read (scuse the pun)

But what's the point in having any topics at all then?

No-one had to read the Brexit threads or the Christmas threads or any other threads that were given their own topic either.

That didn't stop people asking for them.

It's a thread where people declare that they will refer to trans women as men and trans men as women, and that it's not transphobic, and all the trans people who say it is are wrong.

That would be like declaring you're going to call black people niggers

Bloody hell. Can't quite believe I just read that.

*But what the fuck do they know. Best you explain what they should find insulting eh?

If only they knew as much about their feeling as you do.*

TiggyD .... what the fuck do biological males know about womanhood? Best they and their MRA allies explain to us women what we should find insulting, eh? If only we knew as much about what it is to "feel like a woman" as people with male reproductive systems and male socialisation do.

Leccybill, you and others have asked "is there a big equivalent trans forum out there - I take it there's not and that's why people have found a home here?"

Oh, but there is. The internet is alive with pro-trans resources. There's no shortage of sites in favour of it all. There are reality TV shows - "I am Jazz" about a transgender "girl" - offering wholly uncritical support for transitioning children, including drugs and surgery - at younger and younger ages. There are huge resources if you go along with the transition narrative.

However there's a huge shortage of places to debate the issues. I know it's hard to believe, but posting "human beings can't change sex" is enough to get you deleted, even banned, from mainstream national websites.

And there's a lots of things people don't know about the whole movement. My initial response was sympathetic. But then I became aware of troubling truths, for example that 80% of transwomen have, and intend to keep, their penis and a lot of them are sexually attracted to women. Do we want these guys in showers or other women-only spaces? Google "cotton ceiling" if you've got a strong stomach (and aren't so sick of the whole topic you'd rather stick pins in your eyes! )

Our government is talking about people being able to legally change sex by just filling in a form. Men on hormones (no surgery) can now compete against women in international sport. This whole crazy mess has blown out of all proportion in a matter of five years, maybe. And it affects women - and children - massively.

If the trans stuff had been hidden away, umpteen women on MN wouldn't have had any idea about it all. As others had said, it doesn't come up much in everyday life. But the recent threads (all of which I read) have contained loads and loads of posts from women who said they'd only just become aware of just how much this trans business was going to affect them and their kids, especially daughters.

I don't think a trans thread would work. But I don't see why it's a problem to ignore the topic. I ignore loads of topics, but I love that they're all there. Someone, somewhere wants to talk about nasty neighbours, Eastenders or Bridezillas - and that's great.

Well thought out post there usual not really sure where you stand on the issue though. Or was it just too good of an oppurtunity for you to miss?

I think a trans topic might not work because people who like discussing these issues a lot don't want it. It is the people who don't like discussing them who want it.

Not sure where the calls for the Brexit board came from, but Brexiters and Bremainers alike seem happy to post there. The Spartacists on here mostly seem to want trans threads on other boards, so it won't work.

"what I think. If it's not the same as you I'd get a -lecture debate "

I corrected that word for you, usual.

Usual has already made it clear where she stands on this issue. Hers was the first reply on this thread.

She made it perfectly clear she agrees with the OP.

Unless you mean trans issues, which would take the thread off topic?

There is no bloody debate. It's just shouting down of anyone who doesn't think the same as you.

Your post proves my point.

This thread is full of debate. Losts of fors and againsts. Lots of information and arguments for both sides.
I see no debate from you just another throw away comment.
Also i have not once attempted to shut you down if a discussion on the subject is what you want but lets face it you dont care to discuss it.

And your posts proven mine.
Enjoy your evening usual as you say there is clearly mo debate to be had.