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I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

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DioneTheDiabolist · 31/08/2016 22:08

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

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Blistory · 01/09/2016 15:28

I can understand why the threads frustrate people as the discussion doesn't always seem to move on or make advances.

I can't understand why women aren't interested in the issue at all. If woman isn't defined, then how do we deal with health issues that affect women, reproductive rights that affect women, violence that affects women, women's ability to compete in sport, women's ability to speak about the issues that affect them ?

If we can't define women, if we don't know who they are, how do we protect them ?

paxillin · 01/09/2016 15:29

Maybe its best you hide the important stuff you dont understand theres a good girl

How ugly and patronising.

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 15:31

I was proving a point. Showing sexism/womens issues can easily be present in leccys life.

WorraLiberty · 01/09/2016 15:31

Really? I suppose if i look at percentages far more people contribute to the trans threads than those who moan about it needing its own topic.

Yeah that's exactly my point.

Perhaps it's time for the silent ones to speak up, if indeed they are fed up of it.

leccybill · 01/09/2016 15:32

There's no need to be so patronising.
I am only stating my position.

I'm grateful that women won the vote and paved the way and I've read about that and enjoyed the history.

But how does that relate to transgender, intersex (whatever that is) and pronouns?

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 15:33

Almost all the posters on here who have said they want to limit trans threads are people who post on them (all pro trans activism) all the time

TBH - it's rare to hear alternate voices and those who do can often face a 'challenging' time on there.

Sometimes it can often feel like only one opinion is being heard. Which can be a bit of an echo chamber. Echo chambers, internet bubbles and filters aren't very objective,

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 15:35

Nobody is stopping them worra. Nobody ever has. Yet their rarely seems to be the same outpouring of support for these sorts of threads as there is on the trans ones.
I see the same posters on the few threads like this one and you of course are one of them.

I would much rather the mil posts have their own topic as they are far more frequent and much more boring than trans threads.

almondpudding · 01/09/2016 15:35

How would limiting trans threads create less of an echo Chamber?

leccybill · 01/09/2016 15:36

I'm no moany poster and I've never posted on a trans thread before.
Are you saying people are moany just because they hold a different viewpoint?

This one caught my interest as I shared the OP's position and thought the topics seemed a good idea.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 15:37

How would limiting trans threads create less of an echo Chamber

TBH - it would probably create even more of an echo chamber. At least on Chat and AIBU, you occasionally hear other voices.

almondpudding · 01/09/2016 15:40

Not you Leccy, but most of the people saying they want these threads reduced have been posting on them for years.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 15:40

Speaking personally, it makes little odds to me about a trans section as I try to limit my exposure to the multitude of trans threads at the moment. I might pop in but not hang around for long.

I am sure some other people on here feel the same

almondpudding · 01/09/2016 15:42

You are the most prolific of all the posters over the years, Ego, including starting threads.

WorraLiberty · 01/09/2016 15:42

I you hit the nail on the head leccy when you said, "I also think the tone of the many trans threads is more aggressive than the rest of MN".

Oh well, I can't see HQ giving the subject its own topic anyway.

And even if they did, some people would probably still continue to start threads in other topics, with no clear subject title (like the make-up one the OP speaks of).

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 15:44

I was proving a point leccy with the little girl comnent.

I'm grateful that women won the vote and paved the way and I've read about that and enjoyed the history.

But how does that relate to transgender, intersex (whatever that is) and pronouns?

It relates because wonen have fought hard to be heard as women. They have fought for safe female spaces such as womens refuges and rape crisis centres. If man can just declare themselves women and demand access to those safe spaces what affect do you think that will have on born women? Wont that make all the hard work if the women before us pointless if men can infiltrate what are meant to be supportive safe places for women who by the way are usually only there because they suffered at the hands of men.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 15:44

You are the most prolific of all the posters over the years, Ego, including starting threads

Not really, TBH - there are loads of threads that I haven't contributed to - I keep out of many of the debates on changing rooms etc for ages.

And there is no way I am starting a trans thread - the only one I've started has been on where the MNHQ response should go.

I personally hide most of them now.

paxillin · 01/09/2016 15:45

Yet their rarely seems to be the same outpouring of support for these sorts of threads as there is on the trans ones.

This is a very good point. Maybe people not involved in the trans debate don't feel that strongly about it, a bit irritated, but no more.

Some of the recent trans threads have 400 posters, each saying the same thing 2 or 3 times. And then Ego turns up and everyone piles in on her until she signs off again. I found some of the threads interesting, but not the recent ones, people didn't even rephrase, just copied.

I think MNHQ had been hoping it would die down, but since there is a huge demand maybe there should be a topic.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 15:46

You are the most prolific of all the posters over the years, Ego, including starting threads

I know exactly who does start the regular trans threads. Usually on chat. FWR now has its own trans threads going - and you won't see me on there.

jellycat1 · 01/09/2016 15:47

Maybe its best you hide the important stuff you dont understand theres a good girl

I was trying to prove a point.

You didn't.

venusinscorpio · 01/09/2016 15:48

"Oh, but I just don't geeeeet it. Why do women want to talk it about it so much?!" Helpfully there are a number of threads on the issue. You could have a look there. Plus a vast swathe of pro-trans sites on the Internet, if you prefer.

venusinscorpio · 01/09/2016 15:49

Yes she did jelly. Not a fan of irony?

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 15:49

Plus a vast swathe of pro-trans sites on the Internet, if you prefer

Or Reddit. Uncensored there as well. Bet someone can PM you a link
Or Facebook.

venusinscorpio · 01/09/2016 15:51

I'm sure the uncensored trans subreddits are just as bad as any gender critical one, ego. I'm not sure why you think I'm a Reddit fan.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 15:56

I'm sure the uncensored trans subreddits are just as bad as any gender critical one

I have no doubt about that.

MNHQ have a difficult job at the moment and they are never going to keep everyone happy.

I am sure people will understand that these are difficult - but important debates - and it is important that a lot of voices are heard. From many sides of the debate.

I know how I feel when I contribute - and from my personal perspective, the recent 'bullshit' thread was one of the more easier ones to take part in.

I think that was a useful thread.

venusinscorpio · 01/09/2016 15:57

That's good. FWiW it was good to discuss those issues with you in a civilised manner.