I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

Because there is a very large chance it will affect 50% of the population. Plus i would think mn members list is mostly women.

HTH.

Re: earlier suggestions to not open/ignore threads - a similar argument could be made for a lot of the material that seems to drive the trans (critical) debate. All sorts of questionable things are attributed to trans activists, who appear to exist mainly online. (I'm not saying they don't exist, just that whatever they have to say should be put into context and not assumed to be representative.)

IzzyIsBusy
A right to not be discriminated at work or in everyday life.
Is all because women fight for those rights so that you dont see any negativity or problems.

Just to take one of your points - a lot of legislation in the UK leading to improvements in women's rights at work (as well as other equality/anti discrimination policy) will have been pushed by the EU, which is still comprised of a majority of male MEPs. So it's not just women who have been fighting for women's rights.

Oh i didnt realise it was members of the EU that threw themselves under the hooves of horses to get womens voices heard.

My point was any in fact all legal legislation to protect women and give them rights would not even be discussed by men in parliment if women had not had to fight to be heard in the first place.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/ford

That's the Ford topic. Threads on the first page have a date from 2010!

It would be nothing like that Tiggy.

There are established definitions of the words 'men' and 'women'. Both are based on biological facts, and there is no inherent value system in the biological definitions of those words. The n-word is completely different.

Trans people would tend to say it's an insult. But what the fuck do they know. Best you explain what they should find insulting eh?

If only they knew as much about their feeling as you do.

Except 'man' and 'woman' are not insults. They are statements.

The n word only exsists because it was used to insult/put down black people/ slaves.

The words man and women ate used as a way of stating a persons biological sex.

Again you are showing an extreme amount of iggnorance Tiggy.

I think you are being goady because nobody is that stupid surely?

It's not about their feelings Tiggy. It's about their chromosomes.

Why is the Trans issue so big on MN?

Because other places on the internet shut down the discussion. Because in real life, it is often not safe for gender critical feminists to express their views.

No Tiggy, if you're going to bring race into it, it's kinda like saying Rachel Dalziel is white, despite what she identifies as.

Which, you know, she is.

Man and woman aren't defined by feelings, they are defined by a set of biological characteristics. People can be offended by that if they like- doesn't make it any less true.

But from the posts that I keep seeing posters don't want to talk about it.

It cannot be both.
It cannot be "oh there are sooooo many trans threads give them their own topic"
Which is what this thread is Navy and you saying posters dont want to talk about it.

Are you being deliberatley dense

In reply- no, wasn't trying to be disingenuous at all, I genuinely doesn't understand the topic. I've stumbled upon a couple of threads and tried to make sense of it but it's all so aggressive and pushy and jargony, none of which I understand.

And on feminism - I work in a female dominated environment with all of the senior positions held by females.
We have a female PM and Queen in charge of the country.
I just don't feel persecuted about my gender in any way- in fact, I barely give it a thought.

I also think the tone of the many trans threads is more aggressive than the rest of MN. There's no warmth, no humour and no balance - things which I consider to be the spirit of MN (and I've been here over 12 years).

I think the point Navy might be making is that up until now, those who don't want to talk about it, haven't felt the need to particularly state that.

But since the whole trans issue seems to be taking over so many topics/threads now, more people are stepping forward to say they're fed up of it.

Like the Referendum threads/Christmas threads etc.

Almost all the posters on here who have said they want to limit trans threads are people who post on them (all pro trans activism) all the time.

That is not the same situation as the Brexit threads. It wasn't people respresenting a particular political perspective who were asking for the threads to be moved.

If that's the case almond, perhaps it's time for those who haven't to start stepping forward.

I for one, would like to see a trans issue topic.

But since the whole trans issue seems to be taking over so many topics/threads now, more people are stepping forward to say they're fed up of it.

Really? I suppose if i look at percentages far more people contribute to the trans threads than those who moan about it needing its own topic. Seems to be the same moany posters who start and join in on these threads.