I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

Neither.

But my point was that the feminism boards exist, presumably that doesn't offend any of the people who post on there? So why is everyone so keen to ram the anti trans agenda down everyone's throats? If they give the trans issue its own board then it's a win/win - you can all continue to run round like the sky is falling in while recruiting new people and those of us who don't give a shit don't have to keep hiding this shite.

I take it you don't read the guardian or similar left wing media, the mail or similar right wing media or watch the BBC or C4 then leccybill. Well good for you but it's hardly a fringe issue. It always amuses me when people come on threads to say they are so proud of being ignorant of current affairs.

The odd thread would be fine, like the EU red threads. But every other thread is people frothing at the mouth about something that, to a lot of people, isn't relevant.

I don't have children so I hide most of the child related boards. It affects nobody else if I do this.

Therefore a trans board gets all this shit in one place and doesn't stop the debate continuing

Wow venus instead of engaging why don't you just have a go at individual posters?

Feminists asked for the feminist board to be set up.

Only a couple of people who post on trans threads have asked for a trans section. Most people who post on the topic do not want a specific board.

And people like you can continue to bury your head in the sand, AbbeyBartlett, while women's rights get shit all over in the name of "progress". No thanks. Or you could just get the fuck over yourself? That might help.

Threads about children are not moved off AIBU or chat to child specific boards.

I am engaging. As much as you are. You said posters on this thread were "running around like the sky is falling in". That's pretty rude, don't you think?

Lol. Well that's engaging, isn't it? I read all your posts

One of the peculiarities (for want of a better word) of this particular issue is the degree to which dissenting voices are silenced and marginalised. Though MNHQ haven't come out and voiced support for women, they are at least allowing debate to go on- most places are shutting down debate entirely if it doesn't align with the TRA agenda.

You may be sick of reading the threads, but each time they crop up there are many newcomers who were previously completely unaware of the underlying issues. The easy-access topic buttons on the site are probably a factor in most people gravitating towards AIBU or chat. If you don't give a shit about a thread, hide it or don't read it.

Maybe it's because it might well be an issue that affects working mums - and of all the places out there, Mumsnet might be a place to see such a discussion as it is a real issue affecting working parents?

You couldn't possibly think working mums don't discuss it becuase working mums already bloody know it happens and have been discussing it for the past 20 years with little progress? It's infuriating. But what is there to discuss exactly? We expect it from girlhood. You should know this.

Trans activism is a relatively new phenomenon which is women see as directly eroding the very few rights of women and girls. It's important to discuss because it snuck up on us and surprised us how swiftly it's misogyny and homophobia has been accepted into modern political discourse.

tl;dr We're discussing it cos it's never been discussed before in historic terms.

FFS

Threads like the Spartacus are not 'anti-trans'.

I think unless the posters posting on a topic themselves request it, then threads about a subject shouldn't all be coralled into one topic.

Almondpudding , thankyou.

I guess I just don't see the relevance. Maybe I'm just not arsed enough.

I'm a woman, with children and a professional career. My 'rights as a woman' is not something I give much of a thought to on a day to day basis as I just don't see any negativity or problems.

Also, the threads just seem to go round and round. There's nothing new to discuss.
And I'm too busy to worry or care about pronouns.

leccybill - re "is putting me off visiting MN, and it seems to be here to stay so I'll prob visit and post less" and "Can someone sum up what exactly is the 'trans' issue? I'm unclear."

Well, you can't have read even a single trans thread if you are not aware of the issues. Why are they putting you off?

I was like you and wandered on to a trans thread once where my eyes were opened to the issues and consequences of blindly following the "if they want to be women so much, why not just call them women?" line. Yours will, too, if you go & read one. On every trans thread, there is at least one MNer who expresses shock that women's rights and opportunities are being eroded going forward, in wide-ranging fields such as statistics, safe spaces, medical care, bursaries, and sports including Olympic teams and records.

And that is why some people don't want trans threads to be in high-traffic topics like AIBU and Chat. MN is one of the very few places on the internet where this debate is not shut down, and the more visible it is, the more women wake up and take a stand.

Oh, so actually you were just being disingenuous when you said you didn't know there were any issues with the trans movement, leccybill? What an astounding surprise.

I agree OP.

I really think the whole thing needs its own topic now, so people who are sick to death of it, can hide it.

It's not so bad when people state clearly in the title that it's a 'trans thread', but not everyone does.

I'm a woman, with children and a professional career. My 'rights as a woman' is not something I give much of a thought to on a day to day basis as I just don't see any negativity or problems.

Do you think that may have something to do with women fighting for your rights over the last 100 years or so??

The fact you have a right to work.
A right to vote.
A right to not be discriminated at work or in everyday life.
Is all because women fight for those rights so that you dont see any negativity or problems.

Try reading a book on the history of the femminst movement leccy then maybe you will be more informed and less ignorant.

Why the fuss? Just don't open them. Like I don't open baby names or various other types.

apparently it's not that simple, coffee. No idea why.

Wow you don't deal with any negativity for being a woman? how very unique

I am sorry it baffes you.
It baffles me that you cannot see the obvious answer.

If you read a thread you'd be less baffled. Hence the threads

What bothers me is that these threads do go round and round and round the same issues with the same points coming up over and over again. Yes, you reach a point when you realise that and start to give them a swerve, but you don't know that from the start. It's quite noticeable that there are a number of people who dip in and are never seen again. Sure, putting them into a separate forum wouldn't solve that but it would give people a bit of a heads-up.