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I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

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DioneTheDiabolist · 31/08/2016 22:08

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 03/09/2016 12:20

I am the same Hex and like Pacific and many others I think, I am grateful for the intelligent, eloquent posts on this subject and also to MN for facilitating the open discussion of this important issue.

It shouldn't be consigned to a corner simply because people don't think it's relevant to them.

IPityThePontipines · 03/09/2016 12:41

RiverTam - I googled Stefonkee. There is an interview where they discuss campaigning for the Canadian govt to pass Bill 33. In 2012. In the interview there's no mention of being 6 years old, nor is there on the website linked to. toronto.mediacoop.ca/story/interview-stefoknee-wolscht/14576

Stefonkee "living as a 6 year old" seems to have all emerged in 2015, following an interview she gave to Canadian tv, as you can see from Google, that's when the story breaks.

So the idea that she's a current mainstream govt advisor, is as far as I can see, false.

Likewise the claim made on MN, that the main US paediatric doctors org had made a statement condemning transgenderism. Again, a google would show you that this org was the American College of Pediatrics (an anti LGBT group who had recently condemned same sex marriage), not the American Academy of Pediatrics.

CoteDAzur · 03/09/2016 12:42

"it was cote who said that LGBT children was designated a safe space for support rather than debate."

Yes I did, and it is true. There are two separate "safe area" topics on MN where trans MNers AND parents of trans children to talk about issues that concern them and receive support. Those are not areas for debate and if you see OPs being harassed there, you should report. I wouldn't know because I don't hang out on those topics (again, because they are for support, not debate).

And I pointed out those two topics because someone said it would be a good idea to shove all trans-related threads to a trans topic so it could be a safe area. That is smokescreen. Nobody needs that because two whole topics already exist for that purpose.

Ego147 · 03/09/2016 12:50

The irony is is that it seems site stuff is now the area for trans threads - so it's got its own area as this is where people seem to be posting - apart from FWR of course.

CoteDAzur · 03/09/2016 12:52

It doesn't matter if "Stephonknee" is an advisor to Canadian government now. The fact is that this person is an influential TA, one of many that we are asked to support in this madness lest we get called bigots.

Someone please take a look at the video S is a Shero on Stephonknee's website (followed on from IPity's link) and tell me that this is just a normal variation of the human condition.

CoteDAzur · 03/09/2016 12:53

People are posting in Site Stuff these days because some MNers were banned and others are demanding clarification of Talk Guidelines.

Which you know perfectly well, of course.

JudyCoolibar · 03/09/2016 12:57

hazeyjane, you still haven't answered the question how it would be removing freedom of speech simply to have threads in a different topic.

Ego147 · 03/09/2016 12:58

People are posting in Site Stuff these days because some MNers were banned and others are demanding clarification of Talk Guidelines

And are using those threads not merely to demand clarification but to use them to debate 'trans' issues and the effect on women.

Which you know perfectly well, of course

Maybe there should be some threads in the popular and busy Chat to raise awareness of this important issue rather than hiding this discussion in Site stuff?

IPityThePontipines · 03/09/2016 12:59

How is Stephoknee influential now?

All the top google hits for that name are post the interview. Who is claiming she is influential now, when the Canadian government stuff was back in 2012?

Where is the site claiming Stephoknee as the great trans aspirational figure as she is now?

JudyCoolibar · 03/09/2016 13:02

MN is the only safe place for me to gain a feminist perspective on this.

It really, really isn't, you know.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 03/09/2016 13:14

What is clear is that a lot of people want us to shut up about it. And the hiding thread reason is bollocks.

JudyCoolibar · 03/09/2016 13:18

I think few, if any people are telling anyone to shut up about this.

Ego147 · 03/09/2016 13:18

What is clear is that a lot of people want us to shut up about it

Chat is always available for you to start a thread. I don't think anyone is going to ask you to shut up. Just respect the Talk guidelines from MN.

NavyandWhite · 03/09/2016 13:19

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Felascloak · 03/09/2016 14:20

Threads in chat get deleted after 90 days so people end up repeating stuff as they can't find it when it was posted before.
And a lot of people won't post on feminism or have it hidden, I think AIBU is the same.
I don't know what the answer is, I don't think a trans topic is it though.

Felascloak · 03/09/2016 14:28

Stephonknee is creepy and I'm sure there's child protection issues there. I don't understand why labelling oneself as "trans" means you get to talk about your sexual kinks to journalists, ugh. I'd feel much better about TRAs if they would distance themselves from those kind of people.

Apologies for the gender trender link but the original source has been removed. Maybe stefonknee realised talking about getting pregnant from anal sex with your "adoptive father" was alienating people from her trans struggles.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/transwoman-stefonknee-wolscht-lives-life-as-a-six-year-old-girl/

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DioneTheDiabolist · 03/09/2016 14:59

A few points, MN is not the only "safe space" on the internet to discuss these issues.Hmm There are quite a few.

As for raising awareness, what that means is "sitting in my house fucking about on the web and actually doing nothing at all". It's like those people who claim to "raise awareness" for breast cancer by asking you to like their selfies.

I get that many people like to dick about on the internet, I am one of them.Smile But stop pretending that you are educating anyone or making a difference, because you're just dicking about on the internet.

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SoHairyAndForeverSpartacus · 03/09/2016 15:01

I'm another who would like to thank those who were "dicking about on the internet" and helped me realise why we need to continue talking about this. It was the IOC threads on here that made me start thinking. And I also wouldn't have seen them if they were hidden away.

CoteDAzur · 03/09/2016 15:10

"MN is not the only "safe space" on the internet to discuss these issues. There are quite a few."

Please share. Where else do we find a forum that is not an echo chamber, has a large number of members, and allows questioning transactivist dogma such as "Transwomen are women, period"?

"As for raising awareness, what that means is "sitting in my house fucking about on the web"

Yes, sometimes people raise awareness on the internet. It is a surprisingly efficient tool for reaching out to individuals whom one would otherwise never be in contact with.

Your problem with that is...?

"stop pretending that you are educating anyone or making a difference"

I wouldn't take credit personally, but there is no doubt (none whatsoever) that MN threads have indeed educated people and made a huge difference to how they see these issues.

Check out recent posts by Hex and Page on this very thread for examples.

Or you can continue to condescend and dismiss, I guess.

Ego147 · 03/09/2016 15:12

Where else do we find a forum that is not an echo chamber

Do you ever wonder if the trans threads themselves on here are an echo chamber rather than a debate with a range of voices?

Sparklingbrook · 03/09/2016 15:12

Not everyone on MN uses it to have their awareness raised about anything. They are fine with their level of awareness as it is.

NavyandWhite · 03/09/2016 15:14

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Ego147 · 03/09/2016 15:15

Not everyone on MN uses it to have their awareness raised about anything

MN is good for raising awareness of issues. But people should be aware that 'debates' and 'issues' are more complex than first seems and that not everything people say is strictly accurate.

I am sure most people know that - but 'just because it was on the internet does not make it true' - no matter how many times people say it.

CoteDAzur · 03/09/2016 15:16

"Where else do we find a forum that is not an echo chamber"
"Do you ever wonder if the trans threads themselves on here are an echo chamber rather than a debate with a range of voices?"

Do you ever wonder how pointless it is to answer a question with a question?

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 03/09/2016 15:17

Then don't open the threads that are clearly trans

And if you inadvertently click on one, then click on the Back button

There, solved that for you