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I Would Like To Propose A Solution To The Trans Threads Problem

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DioneTheDiabolist · 31/08/2016 22:08

Dear MNHQ, I am pissed off with all the Trans threads. I understand that you don't wish to stifle debate/free speech and all that shit, so I propose 4 threads where all trans posts can be hidden go.

A Fuck Trans thread. For posters who hate that people are trans.
A Yay Trans thread. For posters who wish to support trans people.
A Trans Bunfight Club thread. For posters on the other two threads who want to have a bit of a ruck.
And a What MNHQ Have To Say About Trans Threads thread. For, well I think you get my drift.

All other trans posts on the site can be deleted, no other threads can be started and I can enjoy the site more.

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RiverTam · 01/09/2016 21:23

There is a poster on the 'alternative to Spartacus' thread who describes (I'm putting this in a nutshell) how information she learnt from the MN trans threads has meant her DD has been kept off puberty blockers and the like, and how 4 years on her DD is in a much better place.

That is why these threads need to be kept on the main boards and not shunted off to the side. One child who's not ended up going down a road of unnecessary medication and surgery to get to someone it is not possible for her to get.

That's how important it is.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:27

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DioneTheDiabolist · 01/09/2016 21:31

Trans topic threads will still appear in Active. Just not my Active or anyone else's who don't want to see it.

Why is this problematic?

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JudyCoolibar · 01/09/2016 21:33

RiverTam, the posts you mention probably justify having a separate topic. If you have a daughter who wants to be trans and you want to find out more about it, it would be very useful to know where to look for information and views rather than relying on the possibility of something useful coming up in Chat or AIBU, and indeed being able to recognise the thread as being about trans matters.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:34

I don't think I have seen you properly engaging with anyone

Personally I don't care whether you have or not. Your opinion on how I engage on here is of zero importance to me.

One child who's not ended up going down a road of unnecessary medication and surgery to get to someone it is not possible for her to get

I agree that it's important to discuss this - and to hear from different sources. I hope things work out for her.

There is the LGBT children section - but I suspect that is not the area where such debate takes place. Maybe it should - or would that be too controversial?

If a parent had a child who was potentially going through such issues, where would it be easiest to find balanced information?

There could be threads on Chat - where you could chance upon it

Or there could be debate on a trans topic with balanced information?

MN is very good at specialised topic areas - but I don't think the LGBT children area is an area where issues like puberty blockers are debated. I think it's more support.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:36

judy

Cross post. I would hope that a parent would try and find as much balanced information out there. I suspect it can be hard finding balanced and informed debate.

Maybe there should be an area for this - as well as trans threads elsewhere.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:37

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Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:39

Your distain for opinions on this site is clear Ego

Bizarre - here we are discussing trans threads and where a parent could find information for their DD and you are derailing by having a go at me.

Do you think there should be more debate in the LGBT section for parents looking for information and discussion on puberty blockers

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:42

That's not what the thread is about. Check the title. But nice try.

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 21:44

Because some posters choose to just look in AIBU or chat. The active threads also change quickly where as in each topic they tend to stay more active and on the first page.

I cannot see your problem tbh Dion. The trans threads have only recently become noticed and more posters are cobtributing yet the coubtles mil/pil/sil threads have been around for an age, there are tons of them but no calls for them to have their own topic. Same with the wedding ones.

So why is it only the trans threads, which are not trans hating or transphobic and are aiming to protect womens rights, have moany they should have their own topic threads?

Most trans threads are titled as such so whats so difficult about mot clicking? Or is a missed opportunity to moan if you dont?

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:44

That's not what the thread is about. Check the title. But nice try

It's part of the issue though. A trans section could be a good place for parents who have children who might be trans to discuss things and find out stuff in one section.

OTOH - it could be accused of 'burying' the trans section.

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 21:47

Plus until mnhq clear up their stance on biology and truth there cant be a dedicated topic.

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:48

Oh you have had your lightbulb moment. Goodo.

LineyReborn · 01/09/2016 21:48

Tbh I think the trans / Spartacus threads have been an extraordinarily interesting way of getting feminism onto the 'mainstream' boards.

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:50

Oh you have had your lightbulb moment. Goodo

And people wonder why some people avoid such threads Hmm

IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 01/09/2016 21:52

And the circle begins again

Ego147 · 01/09/2016 21:54

And the circle begins again

I don't think I have seen you properly engaging with anyone

Your distain for opinions on this site is clear

Oh you have had your lightbulb moment. Goodo

Indeed.

JudyCoolibar · 01/09/2016 21:55

Obviously AIBU and Chat are probably the busiest sections of MN. However, If I had a mega important issue like my daughter wanting to be trans and wanted information about it, for sure I wouldn't be looking in either of those sections to find it.

I do agree with leccy and usual that one of the problems with the trans threads is how aggressive they get. More than once I've seen some unfortunate who dared to disagree with the prevailing wisdom becoming the target of multiple attacks until she's driven away. It doesn't always happen - I ventured with some trepidation onto the bullshit threads and was delighted to find a civilised discussion going on. However, we're seeing that aggression again here with people totally arbitrarily deciding to have a go at usual and Ego. For every person who comes onto those threads and says she ends up better informed, I wonder how many have actually been put off by their tone?

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 21:59

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Ego147 · 01/09/2016 22:01

For every person who comes onto those threads and says she ends up better informed, I wonder how many have actually been put off by their tone

That's a good point. The tone can be off putting - and that's why the more recent 'bullshit' threads were reasonably okay to post on.

IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 22:01

I do agree with leccy and usual that one of the problems with the trans threads is how aggressive they get

Yes and AIBU is a gentle walk in the park posted on by members of the WI only yet hey its still her as mn most popular topic. Funny that.

usual · 01/09/2016 22:02

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IzzyIsBusy · 01/09/2016 22:06

I have explained my issue usual in my pp.

7Days · 01/09/2016 22:08

I dunno Judy, tone or no tone, the facts do speak for themselves - imo.

And if I had a gender questioning child, I suppose I'd do a search and see what comes up.

7Days · 01/09/2016 22:09

cross posted with loads, and managed to sound pass agg to Judy. Not intended!