This is bullshit. Thread #2

[BeyondSpecialSnowflake]

Following on from...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/a2716008-Seriously-MN-this-is-fucking-bullshit?msgid=63181862#63181862

helen This thread is for all of us.

You are very welcome here. But obviously don't have to post stuff you don't want to.

[Flowers] Helen I have no frame of reference to understand but I empathise.

Your body, your choice, Your body is not a political statement. You are uniquely you.

Just want to say thanks to all the contributors on the Reddit thread. I've never been the subject of such horrible comments before and it's not really very nice to see such comments written about you by people on here.

I have deregged now but I did see the link to the Reddit thread.

Why the name change ego?

I saw a post on fb, on a feminism page no less, saying referring to to people as MtF is wrong because they were NEVER MALE and have always been female.

I'm sorry but this is just shocking and, in my opinion, unacceptable. You can usually distinguish a person's biological sex at birth due to the genitals being an expression of the sex defining chromosomes. XX or XY are normally pretty easy to establish based on wether a child is born with a vagina or a penis. I cannot fathom how we have gotten to a point where a great many people accept that someone who transitions at 18, 28, 38, or even older is not and never has been male. Just no. They were male, and they remain male. Dressing as in feminine clothing and calling yourself Sally does not make you female. And i am flabbergasted that so many feminists are going along with this.

I am perfectly happy to be polite and pleasant to trans people, and not be a dick to them, call them she even in the name of common good manners, but no, I dont want to sit and talk to a trans woman counsellor about my rape, I don't want to share a domestic violence refuge with a trans woman and if, as a bisexual woman, I have a relationship with another woman I don't want to to have, or ever have had, a penis.

Why the name change ego

I deregged a few days ago. But I was lurking and saw the link to the Reddit thread. Foolishly I read it.

To add, I'm friends with a trans man and today I took a cv at work from (a person I believe to be) a trans woman, amd chatted to her at length and voiced my opinion to the manager that she was really pleasant, polite and friendly and would fit into the team. I absolutely do not belive that trans people should be shunned, bullied, harassed or assaulted. I respect people individually as valuable people who have their own unique things to offer to jobs, Friendships, relationships etc. But I also value the importance of women's only spaces and of ensuring that the ground women have gained in equality is not lost as the trans ideology shoves biological women aside.
I think that if gender stereotypes weren't so rigidly enforced then many trans people wouldn't transition, there is no reason why men shouldn't be able to wear dresses and make up and still be considered men, without feeling they are lesser men because of enjoying stereotypically feminine things.

Ego - that must have been hard for you. There's some really nasty stuff on there

Helen - you can post what you want on here, honestly. But given that this thread has been linked to on various TRA Twitter feeds, you might want to hold back while the current storm passes over or start a new thread (I sometimes forget we're not chatting in the corner of a pub, but stood with loudspeakers at Hyde Park Corner when we post on MN)

WHERE IS THE RESPONSE FROM HQ?

Have I missed it?

Ego - that must have been hard for you. There's some really nasty stuff on there

I am sure there is an internet rule about not reading threads about yourself. People on ALL sides of this debate can be really nasty.

What reddit thread is everyone talking about [confused[ What has happened? Why is Ego namechanged and deregged? ell, formerly deregged. You know what I mean.

I'm so grateful I don't have Twiiter. They shout and stamp and tweet all the tweets they want, and TRAs are helpfully keeping it all in one place!

From what you're saying Helen, it doesn't sound like you are in the right place to make that decision at the moment purely because it sounds like, whilst you were at a more certain place at one time, you're now exploring and identifying with new perspectives which seem to make sense to you. It might be that a few months down the line you're still certain that it's for you, but it could also be that you become more certain of the gender critical feminist view and therefore don't feel the need to change yourself physically.

As I understand it the surgery isn't without fairly significant risks, and it would be awful for you to put yourself through that, and then come to a place where you feel like you needn't have done it but are possibly left with long term consequences.

I hope you manage to come to a decision you are sure about.

I'll pm you Special

It's actually pretty easy to find.

Thanks OlennasWimple. Sound advice. Although I've nowt to hide. I'm an open book.

Why is Ego namechanged and deregged

special

Because I quit. I left. I didn't want to be here. And just to let you know, I NEVER reported any of your posts for misgendering. Not at all. Despite what people might think.

Wow. Just spotted that my post on the first "This is bullshit" thread was deleted because I said "Ada Wells" is a man. So the censorship is ongoing.

I think, Helen that you don't ever need to feel you cannot have GRS or you're a 'bad' feminist. If you change your mind, do it for you. But please don't feel your own genitals are not 100% about what YOU want

fistbumps Helen

As Nina Simone said "Do what you gotta do"
but do it for yourself, not for a movement or community, do what's right for you.

this one Special

Yes, that's the one. You can read all about me, what I said and my recent surgery as well.

I actually said in my first post here, I didn't think you did. I never thought you did, and explained my reasoning for 'exonerating' you, if you will.People were very mean.
I didn't know the OP, no idea why she took my banning so personally or blamed you, I hope you didn't think I did!

I'm glad you chose to come back. What's the reddit thread?

I think things have moved on from then shins

shins well, they've got a looooong night of deleting ahead of them then