This is bullshit. Thread #2

[BeyondSpecialSnowflake]

Following on from...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/a2716008-Seriously-MN-this-is-fucking-bullshit?msgid=63181862#63181862

Poltergoose that one never gets old!

MOOFS and FOOFS fine acronyms imo.

Nope, didn't watch it. Why would I? My opinion is never going to change, the law is on my side, and I don't care, other than some pity, for self hating lesbians who buy into transwomen.

She wants to fuck transwomen? Cool, not my problem. Poor her if she's actually gay and not bi, but not my issue.

She believes in corrective rape? Not cool, but I don't care as the law is on my side and no one will ever change it.

So.. Why would I have watched it, exactly? To upset myself?

I'm so unbelievably smug about MOOFS and FOOFS. This will forever be A Thing in my support group. I'm going to ask (after I post it) If I can post the funnier and erm, more 'Mumsnet friendly to transwomen replies here to make you laugh.

Ahem, I'm still very proud of my record on Elvish rights, thank you.

Helen I want one of those things as a pet! I'd totally feed it

Massive merailing. So, ignoring the merailing...

Thank you Helen for coming and sharing your views and experiences with us, I find your openness and honesty very refreshing.

Thinking back to when I was around 12 or thereabouts, trans wasn't really much of a thing, but at my school what was a thing was being bisexual. I'd say roughly every 3rd girl in my year claimed to be bi. Before anyone says it I'm not saying sexuality and gender are the same, just pointing out how something which is, IMO, quite core to someone's identity can still be very much subject to fashion.

Since we left school, several girls have since settled with female partners, and some are married to them. What is interesting is that the group who are with female partners, and the group who claimed to be bisexual, are entirely distinct from each other. Some of those bisexual girls could of course have settled with men, but I am not aware of a single one who is with a woman or who has even had a female partner. Most of them just quietly dropped the 'bi thing' around 15/16/17 and never mentioned it again.

Note. I'm not in any way dismissing bisexuality - I am aware there are bi posters on this thread and that's absolutely not what I am getting at. But identity, when you are a tween/teen, is one heck of a fluid thing and I'd say very very heavily influenced by friends, peers, trends, and hormones. I don't believe medicating for identity reasons, suppressing hormones and blocking puberty, is the correct choice.

I see your man, and I raise you

And then you have Lesbian Opinion On Female Sexuality. Homosexual Opinion On Female Sexuality. Gay Opinion On Female Sexuality. Trans Opinion On Female Sexuality.

LOOFS
GOOFS
TOOFS

FFS wrong one

I made this myself, I am feeling immature

So.. Why would I have watched it, exactly?

It does seem a little hypocritical to accuse others of ignoring or dismissing other viewpoints, shortly before ignoring or dismissing other viewpoints. Just saying.

Do you still leave socks out to terrify 'help' them?

Oh God, what was that little female pisspot elf's name again? She cracked me up.

After being out all afternoon I have returned to see the phrase corrective rape. What on gods green earth is that?!

Because it sounds like "curing" someone. Please tell me I'm barking up the wrong tree

Female elf was Winky

Winky

My pomposity alert klaxon just went off.

Anything of interest occurring?

I am MOOF, hear me squeak.

Nope.

Yes Stastically, that was very much a thing when I was a kid too!

I'm pretty sure they're all straight. At 12, everything sexual horrified me.

Thank you Helen for your honest answer.

I have to say I have thought alot about this one myself. I have often after trying to think as myself a trans woman, what I would do. My answer has been close to yours.

I think this is why I am so against the self identification. Because up until now if a trans woman were to enter a public toilet, I wouldn't be to worried. As the Trans women I know and others I knew. Would be almost apoplectic for using them. I use to go in with my TW friend to help put her at ease.

But with the self identification I really would worry who and why they are there.
Its not the transwomen I think about, its all the men using 'new legislation' for there own purpose.

Bumping into a Transwomen in a puplic toilet is/was a rare thing. There for not a huge deal.

Which is why I think some TA are really not helping the Transwomen who just want to quietly get on with life.

Its taken me so long to write this i've probably crossed posted loads, sorry.

Lum not really seeing the correlation between ignoring people you're talking to and ignoring some poor internet girl? I'm not reading articles and watching videos because my opinions are never going to change, and I'm not trying to change anyone else's You are, so it's really different.

But if I'm wrong, you're not trying to change anyone's opinion, that's fine and I'll disengage with you.

But with the self identification I really would worry who and why they are there.
Its not the transwomen I think about, its all the men using 'new legislation' for there own purpose.

Exactly this for me. Infact most of my strong views on this subject are directed entirely at the blokes who are abusing this. Ie. Those who think it is acceptable to bully a woman into sleeping with them by labeling them transphobic for saying no.

IfTheCapFitsWearIt

The old rule of thumb was to use whichever toilet you pass best in. It wasn't perfect but it was better than the self identification and entitlement nonsense that -MRAs- Transactivists demand.

Strikethrough fail!