This is bullshit. Thread #2

[BeyondSpecialSnowflake]

Following on from...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/a2716008-Seriously-MN-this-is-fucking-bullshit?msgid=63181862#63181862

Exactly Tortoise Even the Right On lesbians I knew when I was younger would never, ever have dated a transwoman (obviously) and didn't really think that they were women, it was just sort of a kind lie because they were seen as harmless.

That changed pretty fucking quickly for us though, and I'm very, very glad heteronormative women are starting to see what we've been going through

AGuyCalledHelen
I'm happy to answer any questions or give my opinions on stuff when asked.

Hi Helen. Public toilets - in the absence of unisex toilets, do you think transwomen should feel free to use the women's/be obliged to use the men's/make a judgment call depending on the situation?

I ask because women's spaces seem to be a sticking point in the womens/transgender rights debate and I'm interested to know your perspective.

Special you should never have to hide who you are to avoid abuse. That's no way for anyone to live.

I'm glad you feel more liberated and able to speak about your experiences now (although you shouldn't have had those awful experiences in the first place)

"Women simply are not afforded the privilege of being Left Alone."
I don't think I've ever read a more succinct summary of The Problem than this.
You go to work, bad mother, should be at home with your kids. You stay at home, fucking parasite, should be earning your keep. You take trouble over your appearance, you're vain and vacuous. you don't care, you're an ugly cow, shoudn't be allowed out in public. Whatever you do with your life, you're not just making a choice - you're failing to confirm to society's notions of What a Woman Should Be Like. And this whole trans thing is reinforcing this a million fold.
patriarchy is clever. it always finds a way to push us back.

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Bloody hell, clearly haven't actually read any of the threads or anything. Or are the kind of people who believe lesbian women should hail to the almighty penis when its dressed up as being on a 'woman'. Pretty similar to Ada tbh

I hope they boycott. I really, really do not think that's the insult they think it is. Actually Laughing Out Loud.

So true, Karlos.

AGuyCalledHelenWelcome and thank you for your bravery and support

"I don't feel the need to disguise myself, so that's not a great concern of mine"

That's probably because you don't yet realise how cringeworthy your online presence is. Give it 10 years.

On the upside, you have only 11 friends Twitter followers, so you haven't embarrassed yourself much. It's not like your posts are on a website like MumsNet followed by millions. Oh, wait.

I don't do twitter, I kinda wish I did on the offchance that these people might actually bother to read/answer genuine concerns rather than just writing us all off as a cult. I see no reason why we can't have an actual discussion about stuff. But some will always try to shut it down. I would infact LOVE to hear why someone might feel lesbians should be made to sleep with people they do not wish to or find someone who could explain cotton ceiling to me without it sounding rapey.

I've knocked about healthcare for more than a decade and in that time had the privilege of corresponding with many members of the general public. They tended to have strong views, sincerely held. BUT the health board is not about to rename Sexual Health Services as "Incitement to Depravity Services", despite the beliefs of a minority (most of whom were not about to avail themselves of the services as "abstinence is the best prophylactic".

Just because you believe it doesn't mean you get to impose that belief on others.

I hope they boycott too. The sheer irony of the reference to LGBT kids considering the number of lesbian / bi women on this thread...

Thank you Elsa I laugh at DH, and have ironically been told that's very homophobic of him - Which, of course, is just yet another way of invalidating my sexuality.

I love DH with all my heart, ONS with women were better,sexually for me. Sex with my DH is great because I love him, but if, heaven forbid, we ever split up I know I'll never, ever, ever go near anither man again, let alone a 'transwoman.'

That's my choice. I really don't get why people think women are so incapable of making their own choices, or knowing their own desires. Karlos sums it up depressingly well.

Luckily, everyone I know who is bisexual/lesbian shut down this crap by not engaging and fucking who they want to. This really pisses certain people off.

It's one thing for me not to fight patriachy on everything, because that's simply not possible. I don't know any lesbian or bisexual who will acknowledge this though. Everyone I know -online, or in real life, nods, smiles, and ignores.

Actually, I'm the only one being honest (I've told stories about exes on here before, but either implied or lied that they were men) on here. No one I know actually even talks about trans, because they don't allow the hatred to infect their lives WRT sexuality.Some used to engage, but find ignoring pisses them off more or nodding and smiling means they get to live the life they want.

Surprisingly enough, the LGBT community is not a monolithic entity! It turns out that there are as many perspectives and viewpoints as there are LGBT-identified individuals. I hope that clears up any misconceptions you might have.

My 6yo knows about Spartacus*. How the hell do they not know?

*This arose from a misunderstood question about Sportacus, from the Icelandic/American tv show, but I took the opportunity and ran with it.

They just parrot the shit unthinkingly. I doubt they have actually read most of the posts. It wouldn't do for them to actually challenge their own views now, would it?

Who exactly has said the LGBT community was a monolithic entity?

I don't do twitter either. Facebook, but not twitter. I think we (bisexuals/lesbians) all went through a phase where we tried to argue back, but it was pointless.

I'm seriously trying to think of the last time a Male Opinion On Female Sexuality came up. Cotton ceiling was briefly mentioned, but sort of in eye rolling, 'oh dem silly kids' kind of way, It's just not important to our lives.

if they listened, it'd be different. But they don't, do they?

I'd much rather spend energy on here, talking to women about why this is harmful.

This is a good example of someone pushing forward with hormone treatment....for lumi www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/11/transgender-nhs-doctor-prescribing-sex-hormones-children-uk although I suspect lumi may well have heard about this GP already....

That's probably because you don't yet realise how cringeworthy your online presence is. Give it 10 years.

Thank you for your input however, I'm afraid you're sailing very close to a personal attack here, which it seems is prohibited according to the talk guidelines. Regardless, I'll let you know in ten years whether your assertions proved accurate.

I'm seriously trying to think of the last time a Male Opinion On Female Sexuality came up

PLEASE can we have a new acronym off the back of this.....? MOOFS has a great ring to it.

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"Hi Helen. Public toilets - in the absence of unisex toilets, do you think transwomen should feel free to use the women's/be obliged to use the men's/make a judgment call depending on the situation?"

Tricky one. I do think that unisex toilets are the way forward and if there is a unisex toilet available I always use it. Beyond that I've got to be honest I'm massively conflicted about it.

Part of me wants to say that we should use the men's loo and we should be challenging the male violence that we encounter and naming the problem. In practise, and I have to be honest and not bullshit, In the last three years I've used a male toilet twice and only to make a political point. I do use the ladies, but I don't feel any entitlement to it and it causes me quite a lot of anxiety because I would hate to make any woman feel uncomfortable by my presence. This is actually one of my motivators to "pass" as best as I can.

I honestly don't know.

HA HA

I am MOOF, hear me roar

A doctor in Wales is prescribing cross-sex hormones to children as young as 12 who say they want to change sex, arguing that if they are confident of their gender identity they should not have to wait until 16 to get the treatment

Jesus that is horrific. What 12 year old is confident of anything, let alone something this complex.