TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

[OscarDeLaYenta]

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Me, too. FirstShiny.

I remember when this stuff first appeared on MN. Most of us were totally clueless and only a few were talking about the implications of saying "Transwomen = Women" just to be nice and not hurt their feelings. When MNHQ first considered transphobia guidelines, there was talk of adopting rules that would mean deleting posts that even suggested that TW are not W and even that TW should not be in women's safe spaces.

That was just two years ago.

I am proud of this uprising thread and I heart all of you vipers.

I am Spartacus
Men can not become women
Women can not become men
Sex is not an identity
Sex is not a feeling
Sex is real
Sex is unchangeable
Gender is fantasy
Gender hurts women
I reject gender
I won't refer to anyone's gender as if I believed in such bullshit
I can't misgender using words that mean sex anyway
I won't lend credibility to ideas that are invented to hurt me by playing along
Truth matters
Truth matters
TRUTH MATTERS
You can't compel me to lie
You can of course censor me, and all of these women for telling the truth if you wish
That wouldn't be a super legacy though
You didn't think that YOU were Mumsnet, did you, MNHQ?
Look at who is on this thread
All these women
You're not Mumsnet

We are.

I am me. My gender does not control me nor define me. Others around me are also people. Not men, not women, not trans, just people.

If I am attacked by a person, that is because that person is a sexual predator, regardless of their gender or the label they apply to themelves.

I feel no need to label people and reject the concept of mislabelling people who do not conform to my idea of the label I would transcribe to them.

Mine is a happy world, free from stress over CIS, MFT, FTM etc. I just see people.

Women are already second class, i will not stand by while we get pushed into Third
hear hear!

Oh, and if I'm name checking past MNers, Beachcomber was also instrumental for me on this issue (and many others, of course).

But Dittany was the one who was actually hounded off here partly (mainly?) because of the views that are now being espoused on these threads.

I am a woman and I will keep fighting for women. Transwomen who don't do the same are a bunch of WINOs, imo. (Women In Name Only. And simply by sleight of hand and a homophobic government and populous of the time who wouldn't countenance gay marriage.)

If I am attacked by a person, that is because that person is a sexual predator, regardless of their gender or the label they apply to themelves. Except they are overwhelmingly likely to be a man.

I'm annaforbes and I am a woman because I have XX chromosomes. I won't stand by while men colonise our space.

That person is most likely in possesion of a penis, yes. However, a suicide bomber is most likley a muslim. I do not dengirate muslims as people who are likely to bomb me. Most will not.

As I said, I see people. People without labels.

One thing I do disagree with is telling a small child they are transgender. My child wanted to be a jack russel terrier from the ages of 2 to 6. I did not collar them, microchip them and have them fixed.

People are people. Stop putting labels on them, especially younger people. Let them grow as they please without the restraints of boxes to fit into.

Please take discussions to one of the other threads currently running, there really are a lot of people open and willing to discuss many aspects of this.

But this thread was started for a very clear reason.

I am Spartacus (still).

Ban me along with everyone else who is willing to stand up for this if needed. I won't speak the newspeak and there is no such thing as a woman with a penis.

I miss Dittany too; what was done to her was dreadful and inexcusable. She was always worth reading.

Still Spartacus, but can we please avoid drawing comparisons to racism? These are two separate, serious, very prevalent issues that i don't think it's right to conflate or measure against each other (however well-intentioned).

Thank you.

And I'll add to the NO to deleting autogynephilia posts. Really not on.

Dittany, I hope you see this thread. You were so right. I salute you and miss you.

Hear hear. Likewise Beachcomber.

I'm Spartacus too.

A site set up 'by parents, for parents' surely should be aware of basic biology. A site which spawned 'let toys be toys' should support letting kids be kids and reject gender boxes.

Just back from hols not sure exactly what led to this thread - have posters been banned for not pandering to TA machinations?

I don't know what happened to Dittany,. I was abesnt from MN at the time. I do remember, being told quite aggressively by them that I was clearly abused/brainwashed for stating that I was happy with my profession as a pole dancer.

That said, I disagree with any form of harassment or discrimination and hope that Dittany is doing well.

Why is this a woman's rights thing, that's what I want to know? Why is it not a people's rights thing?

It is wrong for any person of any gender to be sexully attacked.
Ir is wrong for any person of any gender to be looked down upon for how they dress.
It is wrong for any person of any gender to be excluded on the basis of their gentalia.

Stand up against sex attacks. Stand up against people who bear children or have a certain set of genatlia from being exluded but do not stand against those who wish to identify with your cause becase they have extra flesh hanging between their legs.

"Women" should not need 'safe spaces' we, as a society should be fighting againts violence againts all. Not fighting for our own agenda to the detriment of others.

I am Spartacus.

I believe in science and therefore in biological sex. I believe that we are a sexually dimorphic species. I believe that a baby's sex is recognized at birth, not assigned. Yes, there are a few intersex babies whose genitalia may be ambiguous, but they are very rare, and their condition has nothing to do with transgenderism.

I believe that it is impossible to change sex. No matter how you surgically or hormonally change your body to resemble a body of the other sex, you cannot change your actual sex. People who call themselves transwomen are not women, and people who calls themselves transmen are not men. I am a woman, and that is solely because I am a biological female and an adult.

There is no such thing as a male lesbian. There is no such thing as a female penis. There is no such thing as a male getting pregnant and giving birth.

If it is true that some men are being harassed in male bathrooms, locker rooms, etc., I feel very sympathetic, but the solution to that problem is not to allow biological men into female facilities. Men who are harassed need to call the police or other authorities to help them and they need to work with other men to solve the problem of male violence.

I believe that what kind of body you have has nothing to do with what kinds of clothes you can wear, what kinds of mannerisms you can have, what tone of voice you can use, what kinds of toys you can play with when you are a child, what sports or other activities you can take part in, etc.

I support the right of any person to use any first name they want, but I will not use female pronouns for a male person, and I will not use male pronouns for a female person.

I am signing in my support. I have to admit I have not read enough but am concerned by what I have read re women's safe spaces being made unsafe. And the Edinburgh story.

I am interested in the link between ASD/anorexia/wanting to transition. Have read lots recently where there has been a cross over of these issues and would be very interested if anyone has any articles/research that are worth me reading? Thanks.

Thanks for that link Côte. Sobering....

soooo. This is a thread to sign in and show your support. If you don't want to do that and want to discuss why not, please take it to the discussion thread "this is bullshit #2"

Thanks

Stand up against sex attacks. Stand up against people who bear children or have a certain set of genatlia from being exluded but do not stand against those who wish to identify with your cause becase they have extra flesh hanging between their legs. "Women" should not need 'safe spaces' we, as a society should be fighting againts violence againts all. Not fighting for our own agenda to the detriment of others.

Well that's oversimplifying things a tiny bit...

When someone calls women 'cuntscum', I think it is fair to say they aren't strictly speaking 'joining the cause'.
When they want to use 'that extra bit of flesh' as a weapon to rape, I think it is fair to want to stand against them.
When someone says that by 'choosing' to be a woman, they are more of a woman than someone who was merely born as one and therefore their opinions on womanhood are superior, I think it is fair to say 'hang the fuck on, this is all getting a bit out of hand and you need to get back in your box'.

Ignoring the need for safe spaces in order to hope and wish for an end to all violence is a shortsighted and laughably naive stance.
There shouldn't be war and suffering, but that doesn't mean we should all boycott the Red Cross.

I'm just bumping because the more voices we can get the better.

Also re. Eddie Izzard and "girl genetics" - what does that even mean? Trans ideology is leading to the most awful pseudoscience, meaningless jargon and Orwellian newspeak. It is anti-science and anti-intellectualism. It is an ideology based on subjective feeling, not objective fact. The fact that the main people championing this rubbish consider themselves to be progressives and intellectuals is ironic in the extreme. To quote the wonderful Magdalen Berns railing at trans activists, "your minds are so open your brains have fallen out".

I am Spartacus.

Sex is a biological truth.
Gender is a social construct that represses women.
Sexual discrimination exists.

I reject gender & the notion that a person should change their body to match their personality, or vice versa.

Women are right to defend their rights & the rights of their children.

Transitioning children is child abuse.

The Emperor has no clothes.

I'm Spartacus too.
Women cannot become men, men cannot become women.
Gender is a construct and harms men and women,
Feelings are not more important than biology, and what does 'feeling like a woman' even mean?
I believe people should be free to live and present however they like, I will use people's pronoun of choice out of courtesy to them, no one should be attacked or abused because of who they are.
But male lesbians do not exist, women do not have penises,no one is obliged to be attracted to any specific group, it's nonsense.I was on quite a few feminism threads back in the day,with another name, arguing on the "other side"
Well, I was wrong.Sorry, Dittany!

We will not speak the Newspeak.
We will not drink the Koolaid.
We will not pay lip service to the Emperor's New Clothes, for they are not there.

I am bombadier

I believe in truth and science. I will not let lies go unchallenged. it is untrue to say that males can become females or vice versa.

I am HemlockSolanum and I am Spartacus.

Ladybrain is an idea that exists in order to justify the continued oppression of women.

Women are a biological class, not some fetishised male idea that involves skirts and makeup.

Children cannot be transgender, they are just children exploring their personality, their likes and dislikes, and should be free to do so without adult projecting their own fucked up ideas of "gender" upon them. Especially when this involves dosing the children up on drugs.

Lesbians should never ever be told that they are wrong to reject sex with men, just because the man wears a dress. The cotton ceiling is a product of rape culture and is never justifiable.

I want women in shelters to feel safe, and not have to pretend that a penis isn't a threat because the man wielding it wears lipstick.

Male privilege exists and doesn't vanish when high heels are put on.