TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

[OscarDeLaYenta]

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I love MN, it's been over 10 years that I've been here and I've found amazing advice, support and humour. I discovered the patriarchy still exists and had my eyes opened to how amazing feminists (which I now consider myself to be) are.

But...

I accept that I would prefer to be banned than accept the Orwellian double speak that is creeping in.

I support any individual to live a life accepted for who they are and that they should live a life free from fear or oppression. But not at the cost of others.

MTT are men, not women
FTT are women, not men.

This is not a personal attack, this is a statement of reality.

Policy is being shaped by a vocal minority of the trans community and we should be allowed to question decisions made and viewpoints given without fear of censorship.

On a personal note, they is a terrible pronoun and is part of the problem that caused this because labeling someone as 'they' is othering.

Peace out

But trans activists aren't campaigning for trans toilets, trans changing rooms etc. They don't want to be 'othered'. They want access to women's spaces while retaining the privilege of their cocks and balls...

Elsa we're doing our best. But as I said, the TRAs are the ones being listened to here, the ball is in heir court.

The women and equalities committee (ffs) are listening to them, proposing these anti-woman changes. Feminists are fighting to protect women's rights, because we are feminists, and women's rights are our priority.

Just to be very clear, the loss of he and she as pronouns and their substitution with a neutral pronoun (maybe e as it's common to both) wouldn't bother me. I'm not attached to the pronoun she but I am attached to the idea of truth/not being forced to lie.

There are multiple threads running to debate the issues, this I am Spartacus one was put up specifically to give MN a running list of those of us prepared to stand up and be banned over the issues mentioned.

It would be really helpful to keep the discussion on the multiple discussion threads linked to this one and not clutter or derail this one as it defeats the purpose. If you don't feel you agree, there's no need to add your post here.

Good point rumbling I've said my piece, will stop posting now.

But trans activists aren't campaigning for trans toilets, trans changing rooms etc. They don't want to be 'othered'. They want access to women's spaces while retaining the privilege of their cocks and balls...

That is true.

The majority of the trans community don't want this though.

The activists are making it impossible for people to speak out, the activists are inciting hate, in return they are encouraging hate towards the trans community, which then makes it harder for them to speak up and say "Look I don't want this, I want my own space".

Certainly in my experience trans people just want to get on with their lives and not infringe on anyone's rights, hurt anyone's feelings or offended anyone.

Sadly the vocal minority are winning because people are letting them.

Please don't use the Spartacus thread for debate, there are other threads running for this.

^and I include myself in the people who are letting them unfortunatly.

I can't stand up and agree with this thread as a whole because of some of the extreme views on it, despite agreeing with probably the majority of it.

I am Jenny. I am Spartacus.

I am a woman.

I am not cis.

Which bit is extreme Elsa?

I am Lemonsole

My entire awareness of the misogyny of trans activism came through Mumsnet. I have been a member since 2005. I lurk more than I post, but I too am Spartacus.

A man will always be a man.
A woman will always be a woman.

Biology is biology.

sian imo the people saying they will not use the preferred pronouns of trans people is extreme. I've seen first hand how it can effect someone.

I'll move off the thread now as it's, rightly not about debate, I'm sure I'll pop up elsewhere though.

Elsa, here's the link for the other thread. The first ones full, I just started a second...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/a2716917-This-is-bullshit-Thread-2?msgid=63182117#63182117

I am Natasha.

Gender is a social construct.
People can conform, or not conform to it as they wish (within the bounds of the law).

Biology is fact.
A man cannot become a woman.
A woman cannot become a man.
There is no such thing as a ladypenis.

I will respect your right to wear what you want, clothes, shoes, makeup, whatever you feel comfortable in. As long as you are not deliberately making others uncomfortable.
I will call you by your chosen name.
I will respect your right to live without violence and discrimination.
If I respect you and the way you are living your life, I will attempt to remember and call you by your preferred pronoun. If you are a violent bully, I won't bother.

I will not allow you the right to invade safe spaces for women. I will not allow you to appropriate words that belong to women.

Women get pregnant and give birth. Not birthing humans.
It is breast-feeding, not chest-feeding.
We can use words like vagina, vulva and periods without having to worry about being offensive/harmful/exclusionary.

I believe in compassion and acceptance. But not to to the detriment of women.

I am a woman.
The term 'cis' is offensive and unnecessary.

I'm finding it a bit weird that, on a thread confirming and celebrating our womanhood, everyone is identifying with a man.

I get the allusion but still think it's a bit contradictory.

So, I am not Spartacus.

Spartacus was a man.

I am BBB.

I am a woman.

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP and everything that has been said in support of that.

Spartaca?

I am Ivy
I am Spartacus
I believe in biology
Gender is a social construct
Sex is a scientific fact

I am a holey, leaky woman designed to carry children. I am not a performance. I am not cis.

A trans-women is not a woman.
A man with a dress on is not a woman.

Trans-woman face violence and prejudice in this world for different reasons to woman.

I will not be robbed of the language to label the violence and prejudice face by women around the world everyday to support trans-women.

I won't throw women under the bus to afford the right of trans-women to appropriate my sex. And I will miss Mumsnet terribly.

It's not identifying with the man, it's identifying with what the rest of his mates did by standing up to the Romans.

'As a woman with a daughter, I am horrified and terrified at the rapid demolition job being carried out on hard-won women's rights by mysogynistic men, who cannot be criticised because they have decided they are in fact women.

And am even more horrified that I'm apparently not allowed to discuss it.'

THIS

I am attenka.

I say no to cis.
No to misogyny.
No to lesbophobia and homophobia.
No to bullying.
No to gaslighting.
No to silencing.
No to sex-role stereotypes.
No to male supremacy.
No to Munchausen's by proxy.
No to anti-intellectualism.
No to the attack on women's spaces.
No to 'pregnant people'
No to rape rhetoric.

I am Jen.

I believe that everyone has the right to live how they want without persecution.

I also believe there is no such thing as a female penis. You cannot change biology and you cannot erase the rights of women to give them to men who want to define themselves as women.

Spartacus.

I am ElBandito
There is no such thing as a female penis, etc.

Morning everyone! Thanks for keeping the thread going. And thank you for keeping debate off this thread.

Please could people be very careful when using RL names? Miranda Yardley is openly active in public. Miranda's partner, despite the blog, is not. I have asked for that post mentioning Miranda's partner by full name to be redacted. We need to keep people safe and respect their privacy.