Quack Re "I think that the trouble I have with seeing this as a massive threat to women is that it seems to be about a bunch of very unusual men who most men won't identify with at all. It is so different to the misogyny that ye olde misogynists won't transfer their allegiance from one to the other."
But the message is 'similar' isn't it? Women's bodies are for male pleasure, women's views don't count, we need to STFU and listen to males.
I am not disputing that some people feel real gender dysphoria and some trans women make a lot of sense as they talk about their trans situation.
As a woman I am perfectly able to discern when another is speaking badly of women, whether that person is wearing a dress or not!
Sadly the 'rules' of gender (which is social construct, stereotypes around what it means to be female or male), are very dangerous and harmful to women. Some women feel so uncomfortable with their female bodies that they seek to be rid of them.
Try googling around about young women de-transitioning who thought they were men, and identified as trans men. Then you will see some of the victims of the current trend for people to identity as trans.
Women who started taking Testosterone and who now have 5' O'clock shadows, or who have bound their breasts all the time, or even had double mastectomies, who felt so uncomfortable being women that they felt they must be men. Sometimes encouraged by counselors etc to transition.
The current social media trends and the impending new laws mean it is almost impossible to discuss some of these issues freely for fear of being labelled 'transphobic'.
According to some people's views any male who identifies as a female needs to be acknowledged as 'female'.
Fuck that. Even those of us who are supportive of trans people, even trans people themselves, can fall foul of some new unwritten rule about how we can talk about the current and increasing phenomenon, which in some cases wants to identify children as young as three as potentially trans!
So this can all be massively dangerous to a number of people if we cannot talk openly about these issues.
For the record I am very polite to trans people in real life. I am supportive of human rights for all, and I am a very compassionate person. But when discussing a person who has spouted hate speech, I won't go along with their version of reality.
Sorry, I know I am probably preaching to the converted but I do see this as massively dangerous for women and girls. Mumsnet is one place we can discuss these issues and it is very unfair that discussions are closed down. I for one wish no ill will to anyone, even a hate speaker but they should not be allowed to continue to spout hate!