Seriously MN this is fucking bullshit.

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Message from MNHQ: We're afraid we felt we had to delete this thread as we feel like it has strayed way outside of our Talk Guidelines. We do regard deliberate, malicious misgendering (as opposed to accidental slip ups) as transphobic. Thank you to everyone who took the time to post thoughtfully here. We understand folks will want to talk more about pronouns and trans issues in general on another thread perhaps - but we would ask that you do so in way that doesn't rehash or repeat this thread. Thanks.&Message from MNHQ: We're afraid we felt we had to delete this thread as we feel like it has strayed way outside of our Talk Guidelines. We do regard deliberate, malicious misgendering (as opposed to accidental slip ups) as transphobic. Thank you to everyone who took the time to post thoughtfully here. We understand folks will want to talk more about pronouns and trans issues in general on another thread perhaps - but we would ask that you do so in way that doesn't rehash or repeat this thread. Thanks.

ONE poster wanted to discuss pronouns and they won. A thread about women being shut down by transactivists was shut down by a ta.

Fucking brilliant.

AND FOR THE RECORD THE PERSON'S PRONOUNS ARE 'THEY'

A vile misogynist was "misgendered" be being called he, because we can not even discuss who is doing this.. It is he's. It is men.

they was not even a thing 5 years ago. If I today demanded my pronouns be "Vagina owner" would everyone have to respect that?

Oh FFS beyond. Just attention seeking "non binary" special snowflake wankery then?

I've only got to page 7.

But just wanted say as some are wanting to find another forum were it is safe to discuss this. My reservations are that by leaving and going we would only be preaching to the choir. What needs to happen is more and more awareness of what is happening. The thread was posted in chat to do just that. To make people aware of what was happening at EU.

These threads have to continue here on MN because of the shear amount of traffic.

MN didn't say another thread about this person cannot be started. Just that we can start a thread about pronouns if we want jee thanks MNHQ

I don't want to read another thread about pronouns.

I want diccussion on what IS happening right NOW in REAL life.

Excellent posts by many on here though, along with Askbasil and this one

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rain I understand what you mean and I totally agree

Our part of the world has changed so that women and men are (on paper at least) equal. These men know that they cannot go back in time and make us subserviant so they are using the PC transgender movement to take us over. Its like the fucking Borg! You will be be assimilated! They cant change their world so they want to change us

I have genuine and heartfelt sympathy for people with genuine gender disphoria, but I suspect that there are far fewer people with that disorder than there are bandwagon jumpers who want to change things to suit themselves

Our desire to be seen as understanding and accepting of people with gender issues has opened the door to this. I think its time that we closed it.

Ada can call himself the Empress of Pinguville. I give not two shits.

I know that his real name his Nate and he's a man with with balls and a penis.

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I totally get what you're saying - that because women (and females) are oppressed we should not have someone calling themselves woman and then oppressing us. I am totally on board with that. I have a problem with all haters. Racists, mysoginists. It's not the fact that they call themselves woman/man/they that's the problem, it's the hating of others who choose differently. Or feel differently that's the problem.

But WHY does Ada have a right to be called a woman anymore than I have right to be called a Chinese seven year old?

A woman is an adult female. Ada is not a female. End of fucking story.

Ada is clearly an asshole of the highest order, but I support Ada's right to wear whatever he wants and participate in whatever (legal) activities he wants. Wear makeup, wear dresses, paint your nails. Fall in love with/kiss/fuck men. I don't give a shit. But that does not make you a woman because plenty of women do not have any interest in those things.

If ANYONE with a penis can tell me what it "feels like" to be a woman without relying on sexist stereotypes I'll eat my hat.

Had a load of PM's ref the FB group, will get to them shortly and try and get everyone in ASAP

Beyond true. Misgendering can be done by accident. But once you know what gender they would like to be called, then out of respect you can call them that.

I'm not saying they aren't male with cock and balls. And I'm also saying that you can choose your own gender, but you can't fuck about with other people's gender. So I am woman. And noone should tell me what that feels like. It's what I want to be.

I feel like we should just all get tshirts or coffee mugs or something that have "Fuck off, Nate. No one cares" emblazoned on them :o

I am so over fucking men telling me what the fuck I need to say or allow or be comfortable with.

I'm a transwoman now. I decided. I mean I was born a female but whatever. I identify like this now. I've had three children and breastfed them and am 30 pounds into what I hope will be a 100 pound weight loss and the breasts...excuse me, man boobs, are just not looking that good. I'm a transwoman and I need breast surgery and it's life saving so I have to have it. Sweeeeet.

The world use to be so much simpler....

But toptoe, do you think I should have to call a man who raped a 15 year old girl with his penis and then started to identify as a woman, a woman? Do you not think there might be some advantages to identifying as a woman in that case which would suggest we should be wary of pandering to men like that? I'm not talking about Ada here, btw. This is a scenario based on a real one.

So. If you're a cock in a frock you get to coercively rape whomsoever you choose, and if they don't comply you get to throw your toys out of the pram. And you're the one who gets the sympathy. Rightyoh.

Also, can somebody please tell me why so many of the TAs who post on Tumblr and Twitter are so vehemently against the appropriation of black culture etc, yet are right behind men appropriating the female sex?

Needless to say, I'm posting in support. I've had enough. MNHQ cannot seriously claim to be for women's rights when they silence us for speaking out against misogyny. I'm not 'cuntscum', but I am a TERF. And proud of it.

cheerfulyank exactly, no one should tell anyone what it's like to be them. Females have lived with oppression all our lives because of our biology. I wonder too if what happens when someone identifies as woman or gender neutral from previously being man or boy experiences oppression for the first time and it freaks them out. It's like going from being entitled to being told you have a place and that can't be a great feeling. What I don't like is how they then focus on other women or females and tell us it's us who are being the oppressors. SOmetimes it is, but we don't want to be oppressed either!!

Thanks Nickie

But what I'm saying is that being female or being a woman IS NOT A FEELING.

venus call them a rapist. Hate the hate. Is that person re-identifying because it will give them some reduced punishment?

Why should I have to call them she? Why should I be gaslighted into calling a male rapist she? And yes, it's perfectly possible that they are identifying as a woman to be in a woman's prison.

And I'm also saying that you can choose your own gender, but you can't fuck about with other people's gender.

Yes absolutely agree. It's highly hypocritical to claim "freedom of choice" re your own self-description, but then seek to remove freedom of choice (about far more important things than what offends you, eg removal of right to sexually consent) from others.

Also, you can't change your sex. Sex is more than genitalia, it is chromosomal. What you are biologically born with is what you're stuck with. And the definition of "woman" and "man" is about sex as well as gender.

Who was the man who molested that boy several times and now doesn't have to go through sex offender treatment because it's set up for men and he's apparently now a woman?

Yes sentia. I don't want to be called cis but apparently I have to be. Apparently someone with a penis said so, so obviously I should sit down and shut up and await further instruction.

Being female isn't a 'feeling', I agree. And it massively contributes to what I see as my womanhood. But I can see how some males and many intersex people could identify as woman. I don't think I 'chose' to be woman either, but I choose to stay 'woman'. Whatever the hell that means. My idea of woman is probably very different to others. I was a 'tomboy' but hated that term because I always felt like a 'girl'

toptoe I think they were acquitted.

Also I think in British law a woman cannot not be a rapists because of our definition of rape.

I don't know the case cheerful. It just gets worse. That's actually putting society in danger, surely?

Sorry about the username. Will change.

Have created an account so that I could support the OP and state what others have said - "Ada Wells" is a man.

Posting in support. Calling a male 'he' is not 'deliberate and malicious misgendering' it's just fact. The use of 'they' just hides the fact that this is a male and I won't join in with the pretense - language is important and women are losing the right to name their oppressors. I'm sick of being told 'misgendering is violence,' this is just more emotional blackmail of women and it's really dangerous. Asking us to collude in our own repression by policing our language to fit a new gender ideology we don't believe in is too much. Women are facing a whole new form of misogyny and abuse: rape and death threats from 'women' with 'lady penises'. All women's orgs now accept males as women so females no longer have political representation as a distinct group, no-one to speak for us and uphold our rights. It is very reasonable to protest this, don't take away our right to name abusive males as 'he.'

I choose to stay woman because I have no choice. Neither does anyone else. That's the point. You can't "identify" as a female because it is a scientific term relating to your biology. It's not like identifying as...a Catholic or something, because of some belief you hold.

I don't FEEL like a woman/female/girl. I AM one because of my body and because of the way that body has caused society to treat me throughout my life.

This story may be apocryphal, but apparently once Abraham Lincoln asked "if you call a sheep's tail a leg, how many legs does a sheep have?" The person answered "Five." Lincoln replied "no, four. Calling a sheep's tail its leg doesn't make it one."

A man can CALL himself a woman or a tree or a cat but that doesn't make him one and that doesn't mean I need to play into his delusions. If a man says he's uncomfortable with traditional masculinity and would rather partake in all the things that are stereotypically reserved for females, more power to him. Why would I give the smallest shit? I'm just not going to go along with the nonsense that that MAKES him a woman any more than my reluctance to wear dresses makes me a man.