dear mn hq why are so many disablist threads being left up

[Samcro]

one today for instance and mn hq post
"We don't think that this thread is disablist, it is a valid discussion that we don't think should be shut down. "

yet it has obviously been reported.
cause hurt and upset
how is that making life easier(or better) for the sn community`?

or this message from mn hq
That CBeebies is just far too PC
Thread deleted
Message from MNHQ: Thanks so much for all the reports about this.

Although there has been some interesting debate and discussion, we do agree that the OP and some of what ensues is disablist, so we have decided to delete.

how can these be interesting debates??
\not long ago mn hq said that they were going to be quicker dealing with this stuff
what happened??

Many people with disabilities don't want to change them, which is great. Wonderful for them.

It's still a disability.

More minimising.

I think there has been a definite shift in MN moderation regarding disablist threads. Threads are being allowed to stand that would have been deleted. And, actually, I don't think it's at all difficult to see which threads are deliberately goady, which will turn into a bunfight and which ones could be deleted and the OP advised to rewrite (because their intention wasn't disablist but their execution was iyswim).
There have always been certain minority groups that have been subjected to enormous prejudice on MN ( eg travellers; gypsies) and MNHQ's moderation policy can be inconsistent. Perhaps it's time for moderators to receive training on equality legislation.

And I'll ask hq the same question I asked on the labelling thread.

The same way you had to adapt to carefully worded personal attacks after saying certain wording (along the lines of "if you said that, you'd sound like an arse") was okay, GFs are now carefully wording their disabilism.
Do you have a strategy re what seems to be their new disingenuous questioning approach?

Beyond - No, I didn't see that. Surely diagnosis at birth is neither here nor there. Stephen Hawking wasn't diagnosed until his 20s IIRC.

Well, exactly. And as pointed out, their example (Downs) isn't even always diagnosed at birth!

I completely agree with the OP. I started a thread like this a few weeks ago.

MNHQ I'm disappointed in you - things have changed for the worst I'm sorry to say and I've been here for 12 years.

"Many people with disabilities don't want to change them, which is great. Wonderful for them. It's still a disability. "

Sorry fanjo but you don't get to tell someone that their differences are a disability if they don't feel that they are in any way disabled.

I know it's not your intention but that way lies holding one way of thought/action etc as ideal and other ways as substandard.

Again, I don't doubt that your experience with ASD is that it is a disability but that is not a universal perception. I know quite a few people with ASD who "compute" differently but see this as superior to NTs whose judgement is often "clouded by emotion".

Well I have AS and I can assure you that emotion clouds my judgment too bloody much. You can never understand or assume anything about anyone's autism except your own or your close relative or child's. And many of us have different problems.

Can anyone tell me what thread MNHQ said is not disablist (the one referred to in the OP?)

Yes, MN has changed and yes, far too many "ist" threads are being allowed to stand.

MN know it, that's why they'll never again have anyone do a guest post on refugees, because the Daily Mail Comment Section frothing posts that follow are an embarrassment to the site.

Anyone thinking racism gets taken more seriously on here needs to have a look at any of the recent threads on Black Lives Matter.

Another good indicator are the Things You Daren't Say threads, which always a hive of bigotry combined with love and admiration for Katie Hopkins.

I think bigotry breeds bigotry. If people see one group of people getting a kicking (dressed up as "debate") they think it's ok to let fly at their disliked group.

I definitely perceive ASD as a different way of thinking, in many ways making a lot more sense than neurotypical 'rules' BUT because society won't accept this it becomes a disability.

I was talking about any disability not just ASD. If people have developed amazing coping strategies to mean they aren't disabled by society then that's great of course.

Also surprised at the clouded by emotion bollocks, sorry.

Yes, as I said (paraphrasing Jimjams), there isn't one autism but different autisms.

X posted with bishops.

What you are saying can be true.however my DD is disabled by more than just non acceptance.

Anyway it's an interesting debate to have but in the context of a thread about all the disablism and minimising on MN at the moment it's not one I feel inclined to participate in today.

I know that there are people who have AS who don't wish to be considered disabled but if you fit a label like that it means that in various ways you don't fit into a world that was built for NT people. That's just a fact. Otherwise you'd be NT.

My main concern is what Ipity said.

In my head, the asd itself isn't a disability, but the mh struggles that come alongside it are. Whereas I would count all of my physical issues as disabiling in themselves. If that makes any sense?

Lottie, the thread was an aibu about 'labelling' and someone musing that they might get a diagnosis due to a trait or two. You know the type, implying the "we're all on the spectrum" bollocks.

"I definitely perceive ASD as a different way of thinking, in many ways making a lot more sense than neurotypical 'rules' BUT because society won't accept this it becomes a disability."

Not necessarily, which is my point. You wouldn't believe how many "Mr Spocks" have found acceptance in law, finance, and pure sciences. In some fields, the ASD mind is a definite asset and with success comes acceptance

And yes, there are people with other disabilities who maybe cope very well but that's because we live in a world where it's really difficult to get the help and support that disabled people need.

What about people who cant live independently or be successful?

They should also have acceptance.

Thanks, beyond.